Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

It simply does not happen that way.

Until it does...

After all, there's "always more to the story," right?

 

[WorldTraveler]

There may be more to the story, but I will categorically say that a spouse is NOT invited to ATL and put up in a hotel to discuss an employee's termination.

Not at DL. Not at any major corporation. Not in 1993. and not today.

 

[Kev3188]

Who said that was the main reason for the trip?

If I've learned anything in the last 5 years at this place, it's that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction...

 

[737823]

Until it does...

After all, there's "always more to the story," right?

 
So you condone the Boeing members giving up their pensions and other benefits amidst the company posting record profits, record backlog of aircraft orders and significant state incentives?  Along with concessions that posted by roughly one percent of the membership after the international president called for a revote after resounding rejection?
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

Who said that was the main reason for the trip?

If I've learned anything in the last 5 years at this place, it's that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction...

right here:



On Jul 1 2014, I retired. Delta gave me the option of resigning or retiring. If I didn't choose either of those options Delta would terminate my employment. After being terminated Joanne Smith, Sr. VP In Flight contacted my wife, Bridgette. Joanne flew Bridgette down to ATL at company expense and housed her in the Renaissance Hotel on the runway in ATL. Joanne took Bridgette out to dinner to discuss my termination - or so we thought. Bridgette has been quite closed mouth about what they discussed. I respect that and do not pry. Joanne told her it seemed I was done with working for Delta. She was correct. That's why I didn't even attempt to fight my termination. Full disclosure, I was on Final Warning, because of something deemed disrespectful I posted on 360. I referred to Richard Anderson as Dick Anderson and I posted to Rob Liston that his posts were thinly veiled attacks on his coworkers and immature. The moderator on 360 sent this into my base director. The post I made on this site is what sealed my fate. I posted about the MD90/88, again referred to Richard as Dick and made a very clear statement about the need for Union representation and probably because I used the "F" word. I'm not entirely certain. I was never told, because I never asked.

and even if it was THEIR expectations (ex-employee and spouse), a VP is simply not going to tell a spouse that they are finished with the company.

When stuff like this is posted, so many red flags go up that everything else has to stop until those gross deviations from not only practice at any corporation but also common sense is resolved.

If you'd like to explain further, then perhaps we can go on but what was written in that paragraph is so blatantly deviant from the norms of way HR either by the dept. of that name or execs as he states works that everything else has to be questioned.

 

[700UW]

January 2 at 6:04pm · Like · 16

Alan Winters I can understand how many might think it strange. I guess we did, too; however, since meeting Joanne at a Velvet in FLL I had had many conversations with her during the last Union campaign during the merger. Bridgette and I had a close relationship with Joanne, as strange as that may sound.

 

[700UW]

that's part of the entire story. My dry, sarcastic sense of humor. That was a joke that my dear friends would understand. It is difficult to get that sort of humor across in black and white, especially to people who don't know you. No victim here! As I wrote before, what some individual's experience at Delta is very different from what others experience. I know without a doubt there is preferential treatment given to some, I've seen it from inside management. My wife told me just a couple of days ago that someone told her with complete certainty that I was drunk when I made the post on WC that got me suspended, because according to this person it was made at 0200 hrs. The truth is I was not even drinking. I was pissed off about the MD90/88. I was venting with my sarcastic sense of humor that came across as a very angry person, which, as I said, I was. I was alone when I wrote the post, so how can anyone tell my wife with complete certainty what condition I was in. The one thing I know I am is honest. As Sandy said, perhaps too honest. I'm actually laughing that you have a copy of the post I made. I guess someone felt they would have to pull this out sometime in the future for some reason? LMAO!! As I opened with I have nothing to hide. I will, regardless of what you post or anyone else on the anti side post, continue to work to get the IAM voted in. Delta flight attendants not only deserve the right to negotiate with their employer, but need the right. I have admitted openly that I got myself into the situation I was in. For no other reason than I was finished working for Delta. After losing the AFA vote by a very narrow margin I felt I had nothing more to lose. 24 years of exceptional customer service as a dedicated employee only to constantly find at every turn that Delta wants to own you. You as an employee are required to sacrifice everything for Delta. As a FSM once said to me "Alan, first and foremost, above all else you are a flight attendant!". I responded, "No ma'am, first and foremost above all else, I am a human being.". I'm no one's slave. It may never happen to you, your experience with Delta may be nothing but roses. Honestly, I hope it is. Because someday you might find yourself in a situation and find that Delta doesn't care. At that point you will find that your true "family" at Delta is your coworkers, not the company.

 

[Kev3188]

Like I said; sometimes truth is stranger than fiction...

 

[WorldTraveler]

January 2 at 6:04pm · Like · 16

Alan Winters I can understand how many might think it strange. I guess we did, too; however, since meeting Joanne at a Velvet in FLL I had had many conversations with her during the last Union campaign during the merger. Bridgette and I had a close relationship with Joanne, as strange as that may sound.

thanks for posting that and the one that followed.

The more that you post, the more bizarre it sounds.

Whether Ms. Smith and he were friends or not, she did not invite his spouse to ATL, pay the tab from a corporate account, and then tell his wife that he was finished with DL.

It simply did not happen.

 

[eolesen]

You guys do realize Alan's wife is a flight attendant for DL as well, right?

It's unusual, but not entirely unheard of to bring in the spouse for a discussion when both work for the same company in the same department and one of the two is being terminated. It's more likely to happen in a smaller company than one the size of DL, but maybe Joanne thought his wife could talk some sense into him so he'd go quietly?

Dunno what really happened, but there may be more fragments of truth to the "they flew his wife to ATL" story than what some people might be comfortable admitting.

 

[700UW]

 

[737823]

So then why are you (as a former stck clerk) involved in the drive, at least on here and WCDFA?

Why are Roach and Sito involved as former TWA ramp and mechanics?

Remind is which major carrier the IAM represents F/As abd about tge prolonged and unsuccessful negotiations at Commmutair for their first CBA (going on eight years)

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

You guys do realize Alan's wife is a flight attendant for DL as well, right?

It's unusual, but not entirely unheard of to bring in the spouse for a discussion when both work for the same company in the same department and one of the two is being terminated. It's more likely to happen in a smaller company than one the size of DL, but maybe Joanne thought his wife could talk some sense into him so he'd go quietly?

Dunno what really happened, but there may be more fragments of truth to the "they flew his wife to ATL" story than what some people might be comfortable admitting.

no it is nowhere even remotely close to normal to discuss any employee's situation, let alone their termination, with another employee or their spouse.

Perhaps a mom and pop company would do something but only if they WANT to get sued. No large company is going to discuss an employee's termination with a spouse or other non-mgmt. employee.

and since most terminations of DL employees involve senior mgmt. knowledge, which goes to show how few DL employees are really terminated exactly as Meto has validated before - no one was brought to ATL to discuss the situation with them.

this is yet one more example of a flimsy case which the unionistas want to believe is abuse by DL and even the most rudimentary fact checking shows that it doesn't even hold water.

The employee's babbling sbout being accused of being drunk and others questioning how some people would question what had happened shows that even he recognizes that he has fabricated a story that makes no logical sense but one which the IAM jumped on to.

 

[700UW]

 

[737823]

What part of nothing does the IAM not understand?

NOTHING for the AS ramp employees at SEA replaced by Menzies

NOTHING for the former TWA workers (4/10/2001 seniority)

NOTHING for the Commutair F/As

NOTHING for the Sprit ramp workers

NOTHING for the United employees at 30+ stations on the chopping block

NOTHING for the United employees when IND closed under their watch

Josh