Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

Bless Yer Heart

 

[Kev3188]

 

No just disappointing that you see only what you see.

Not just what I experience, but also what is shared with me from people system-wide.

 

I unlike you, I have no dog in this fight. But I have at least an unbiased view of what I witness. Like I said before vote however you wish ..it is your job.

My thoughts are based on what I've personally experienced. if that makes me biased, so be it.

But let's be real here for a minute: Everyone is biased on way or the other. I think both of us would be real hard pressed to find a single person in this company that doesn't at least have a passing opinion on how this should all play out.

 

All I know is that I will be flamed for being honest so Flame away.

Not from this cat. Less rhetoric, more real talk is win-win from where I sit.

 

[737823]

Bless Yer Heart

Who will conduct the training at WWW?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Who will conduct the training at WWW?
Josh

Bless Yer Heart

 

[eolesen]

Best way to respond is not to...

 

[southwind]

Do the the pilots and dispatchers have profit sharing?
Guess you don't understand Status Quo?
There is more to wanting a CBA than profit sharing, when will that sink into your brain?
QOL issues mean more than PS.
The horrible insurance increases is premiums and huge increases in prescription costs pushed the union over the top in card collectiond IMO.
Better tell your bosses that PS isn't an issue.

When will demorats finally admit that BaRack-O-Care is the reason rates are going up....we have "Cadillac Plans" and we know they hate that and will make you pay for not joining single payer!

 

[topDawg]

it is just an announcement to a vote.... but how about you tell us how well WN and UA FAs are doing in getting new contracts with the level of compensation increases that DL FAs have rec'd?

yes, DL will pull out the stops just as WN has done.

the difference is that WN also has pulled the checkbook off of the table as well.



not really.

DL FAs will make the IAM look the fool for investing so much in a campaign only to come up short handed.

DL people want more money and better bennies... the rest of the DL non-contract employees will get them and the FAs will be told they can have them AFTER they choose to remain non-union.
 
 

the FAs just gave pay raises to the rest of DL's non-contract employees

and since DL has already said that it intends to get a contract with the pilots this year, they'll get raises too.

the FAs will be left holding the 'you wanna union, we'll start from ground zero' card.

Just wait for the announcement on Feb 14 from the company telling the FAs that this could be their last profit sharing check because all is subject to negotiation.

Anyone who doesn't think this will happen or something pretty similar to it best remember the pay raises that PMDL non-union employees got while PMNW employees were held to their contract.

DL FAs will vote NO one more time...and continue the track record of voting down unions more often than any other workgroup in the history of US aviation, perhaps all of US business.

I'm willing to pay the first year of union dues for the first DL FA who believes I am wrong - if they are willing to pay me an equivalent amount.

Few things
 
If the "FAs just got everyone else raises" then they got them selves raises too. Delta will, as normal, try to toss as much money at the problem as they can. All honesty I see this as a win-win for the FAs. 
 
And So now the FAs are going to lose profit sharing when every other work group, union and non-union, at the company gets it? What do you want to bet on that? (outside of some other big increase in another area of the contract) 

 

[BABABOOY]

http://iamexposed.org/corruption.html

 

[737823]

http://iamexposed.org/corruption.html

And the questionable "elections" that they hold for office votes.

No oversight of the executive council.

The international bleeds the local lodges dry spends money on Learjets, travel, and golf courses.

Josh

 

[BABABOOY]

https://rosiesmachinists751.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/an-up-close-look-at-r-thomas-buffenbarger/
 
I would be FORCED to PAY to join this group?
Living in the NE this sounds so familiar......   Forced to "Pay" for "Protection" .......
 
 
 IAM stands to gain more than $12 million a year in dues directly from the pockets of the Delta flight attendants. Buffenbarger made no mention of how the IAM would benefit the Delta flight attendants. It was all about him and his organization and what we could do for him.-----fact.

 

[737823]

While true even with the DL F/As (and ACS) the IAM will be in a much weaker position today than in the mid-2000s let alone their heyday in the 1980s.

IAM mismanagement:

http://www.goiam.org/uploadedFiles/Dues.Restructuring.07.11.08.pdf?LangType=1033

As recently as 2008, IAM Grand Lodge Vice President Robert Roach warned of the real possibility of bankruptcy for our Union.
Without a new dues structure that increases revenue, the IAM may be forced to merge Locals and Districts, reduce
or eliminate programs that enhance representation of our members, close and sell the William W. Winpisinger
Education and Technology Center and face the real possibility of bankruptcy for our Union.

Josh

 

[700UW]

http://iamexposed.org/corruption.html

How about stealing millions and running guns that happened at DL?

So since employees did that at Delta does it make Delta guilty or an accomplice?

And in your eagerness to slight the IAM, why didn't you post it was the IAM auditors who caught the crimes and reported it to the authorities?

 

[BABABOOY]

On second thought I probably shouldn't post these links.
I'lll probably get a knock on my front door.  You know from someone
who "just wants to have a conversation".

 

[Kev3188]

http://iamexposed.org/corruption.html

Tell us more about who runs this website. What are their motivations? Who's bankrolling it, and why?


 
 

https://rosiesmachinists751.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/an-up-close-look-at-r-thomas-buffenbarger/

I'm a big fan of Ryker and the work she's doing. An engaged union member, and pushing for the reform she wants to see for her workgroup; who can argue against that?

As for (gasp!) dues, of course there are dues! Kinda like our employer charges fares for people to get on our planes. Both receive payment for a service delivered. That's how it works in the adult world.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Do the the pilots and dispatchers have profit sharing?

Guess you don't understand Status Quo?

There is more to wanting a CBA than profit sharing, when will that sink into your brain?

QOL issues mean more than PS.

The horrible insurance increases is premiums and huge increases in prescription costs pushed the union over the top in card collectiond IMO.

Better tell your bosses that PS isn't an issue.

As much as you and some would like to believe, DL's QOL is not bad. can it be improved? yes. can anyone's QOL be improved? yes.

Are the vast majority of people willing to trade QOL for a double digit difference in pay - and that is exactly what it will be by the time profit sharing is totaled.

and as much as you and others want to think that AA has negotiated huge advancements in QOL, I GUARANTEE you that there will be clauses that frontline people will find that the union leaders glossed over that dramatically will affect QOL.

 

Few things
 
If the "FAs just got everyone else raises" then they got them selves raises too. Delta will, as normal, try to toss as much money at the problem as they can. All honesty I see this as a win-win for the FAs. 
 
And So now the FAs are going to lose profit sharing when every other work group, union and non-union, at the company gets it? What do you want to bet on that? (outside of some other big increase in another area of the contract)

Kevin can remind me of the rules but I believe now that the AFA has filed, DL cannot mess with major elements of the FA's compensation - but they can do that for other workgroups.

Thus, DL will be passing out all kinds of goodies to the other employee groups and tell the FAs that they will have to wait until the vote is resolved.... so, yes, the FAs might well have just helped the other workgroups gain a whole lot more right now.