Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Again the iAM can't Guarantee me ANYTHING except just one thing. DRAMA
I look how I have been treated over the last 25+ years and talk with those PMNW
flight attendants and discuss "life under a union" Delta is NOT prefect but a REAL side
by side comparison of Delta F/A's and those at UNITED and American (only REAL comparison)
Delta treats us better. Am I willing to throw that away on a HOPE that it MIGHT get better?
NO.
I look how I have been treated over the last 25+ years and talk with those PMNW
flight attendants and discuss "life under a union" Delta is NOT prefect but a REAL side
by side comparison of Delta F/A's and those at UNITED and American (only REAL comparison)
Delta treats us better. Am I willing to throw that away on a HOPE that it MIGHT get better?
NO.
Go ask the pilots about what a CBA means and guarantees.
You are an employee at will, DL can do whatever and whenever they want as long as its not against the law.
Why do pilots have duty limitations and FAs dont?
Why do Pilots have better and cheaper insurance than you?
Why do pilots have guaranteed raises and you dont?
You are an employee at will, DL can do whatever and whenever they want as long as its not against the law.
Why do pilots have duty limitations and FAs dont?
Why do Pilots have better and cheaper insurance than you?
Why do pilots have guaranteed raises and you dont?
so again, you can't compare F/A's to F/A's
just f/a's to PILOTS now.......
That ain't gonna work
btw
compare this following statement to
any other F/A work group.........
Delta announced profit sharing last week with a preliminary estimate of 16.4 percent. The airline has now received the final data, resulting in an actual payout of 16.58 percent, which means that even after the 5 percent advance in October, the Feb. 13 payout will be well in excess of last year’s 8.26 percent.
16.58 of my Annual salary
PLUS
$1200 in shared rewards
and
$1000 in SKYBUCS.....
just f/a's to PILOTS now.......
That ain't gonna work
btw
compare this following statement to
any other F/A work group.........
Delta announced profit sharing last week with a preliminary estimate of 16.4 percent. The airline has now received the final data, resulting in an actual payout of 16.58 percent, which means that even after the 5 percent advance in October, the Feb. 13 payout will be well in excess of last year’s 8.26 percent.
16.58 of my Annual salary
PLUS
$1200 in shared rewards
and
$1000 in SKYBUCS.....
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He's something, isn't he?BABABOOY said:
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if this was just between Kev and baba, I'd stay out... but since you're in.
I am too.
you REPEATEDLY REFUSE to include profit sharing that DL FAs and other employees get.
it is no surprise. 16% of one's pay FAR exceeds the difference that you claim exist with DL's legacy peers.
combined with DL's own pay raises which have exceeded WN's, DL's pay is growing far faster than WN employees.
even WN employees acknowledge that WN employees' advantage is being eroded - as I said it would - while DL employees continue to increase in compensation far faster than any other employee group.
Your attempt at class warfare is typical union strategies - and also totally unsuccessful. It is no surprise that unions have lost as much as they have when you trot out strategies like trying to compare FA salaries to pilot salaries because no FA union has succeeded at getting the same salaries as pilots.
you have yet to explain how the APFA came up with less than half of the percentage of raises that the APA got.
Two unions and the FAs still didn't get what the pilots got.
more empty promises from unions.
and Baba,
your bank account also includes the $700 or so in union dues that you DID NOT have to pay.
700 can tell us the EXACT dollar amount of every IAM represented workgroup in the airline industry as well as AA, UA, and WN FAS if he wants to try and argue that $700/year in union dues is not realistic.
congrats on the Skybucks, btw!
You dont get it do you?BABABOOY said:
You are an employee at will, Pilots arent at DL and get a way better deal than you.
AA, WN make more than you and have guarantees, what do you have? nothing?
And the only reason why you are getting the increase in percentage is DL made over a billion in profits, unlike last time when they cut it from 15% to 10%
At least educate yourself, instead of using a third party resource that Ford and Harrison is putting out for DL.
Why is it ok for Anderson to have an employment contract and not you?
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what incredible ignorance.
you want to tell someone who has managed to hold a job at DL for far longer than you ever worked in the airline industry and you want to tell them to educate themselves?
you are the absolute best advertising that DL mgmt. could hope for in its case against the IAM.
btw, AA made billions as well... why didn't they pass along their wealth?
and, no, DL profit sharing has increased steadily.
can you post the percentage of profit sharing that other carriers gave their employees?
of course you won't even if you knew.
DL employees earned over $1 billion which was over 16.5%. AA didn't even bother... their CEO said their people are too stupid to influence the profits of the company but they say that AA will make billions more because of lower oil prices. what did Parker or AA do to push oil prices down? not one damn thing. but he's taking big payouts anyway.
why don't AA FAs have the backbone to tell Parker that he is dead wrong and they deserve to get a piece of that profit as much as Parker does - or he doesn't deserve it.
WN profit sharing was next best behind DL.... didn't crack $400M or 10% per employee.
UA - a couple percent.
no, DL's profit sharing has only gone UP.
you want to tell someone who has managed to hold a job at DL for far longer than you ever worked in the airline industry and you want to tell them to educate themselves?
you are the absolute best advertising that DL mgmt. could hope for in its case against the IAM.
btw, AA made billions as well... why didn't they pass along their wealth?
and, no, DL profit sharing has increased steadily.
can you post the percentage of profit sharing that other carriers gave their employees?
of course you won't even if you knew.
DL employees earned over $1 billion which was over 16.5%. AA didn't even bother... their CEO said their people are too stupid to influence the profits of the company but they say that AA will make billions more because of lower oil prices. what did Parker or AA do to push oil prices down? not one damn thing. but he's taking big payouts anyway.
why don't AA FAs have the backbone to tell Parker that he is dead wrong and they deserve to get a piece of that profit as much as Parker does - or he doesn't deserve it.
WN profit sharing was next best behind DL.... didn't crack $400M or 10% per employee.
UA - a couple percent.
no, DL's profit sharing has only gone UP.
Is this really suppose to SCARE me? seriously?700UW said:
What part of 25+ years at DELTA don't you get?
so now the boogy man is out to get me just because the IAM says so?
and educate myself? really do you really want to go there?
AGAIN 25+ years here.
Next you will be accusing me of having Stockholm syndrome.
what the IAM is really good at is trying to Scare people and if that
doesn't work, personal attacks. and if that doesn't work.
just throw a blanked statement out of "calling everyone dumb" and
"they don't know any better".
The one thing the IAM and its MANY of those who support the IAM can
do is something called RESPECT.
I respect many of my fellow F/A's who may cast a vote for the IAM.
I respect them because they have made a decision based of experience
and fact checking.
What I don't see is the opposite. The many f/a's who have made the decision
to NOT support the IAM are not respected for their opinion.
This is one of many things that turns me off to the IAM and their most ardent supporters.
and
to be honest, People such as yourself who are outsiders who ONLY care about the IAM and
its agenda that has nothing to do with DELTA FLIGHT ATTENDANTS.
All we are is $$$$$$$$$$ to the IAM thats it. Just look at the statements from the
day they delivered the cards. it was announced that it was a good day for the IAM...
not for Delta F/A's. That alone tells me that I was right all along. This campaign
is NOT about us F/A's We are just pawns. You posting here everyday every hour
cement's that belief.
One only has to ask......Why are so many outsiders tying to get me to vote yes?
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are you talking about AA or WN?
if you are talking about AA, then post the total compensation - including profit sharing - and show where AA FAs have a better contract than what DL pays its FAs or what Any other carrier pays.
tell you what.... just add 16.5% to the top of the number you included for DL and then you'll see how the numbers
come out.
Laura Glading and the APFA wasn't willing to stand up to Parker and really get a true industry leading contract or to tell him that AA FAs really do have the ability to move profits because she is more interested in getting a joint contract and getting all of those new union dues under her.
she didn't have the nerve to tell Parker that he has no right to benefit from the drop in oil prices if her people couldn't - and she wasn't about ready to infringe on the social relationship she has enjoyed with AA execs.
DL FAs need to know what really goes in at unions - selling out their members and calling their work industry leading when it not only is clear that it is not but when they can't or won't provide the apples to apples proof to back up their statements.
so which is it?
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YOU and the APFA are the ones that claimed they had an industry leading contract.
it is YOU and them that have to prove that statement to be true.
and you still can't explain why the APFA didn't get anywhere near the pay rates that the APA got for pilots when you have been saying for years that DL non-contract people didn't get what the pilots did.
so, were you lying all along that an FA union could get the same pay raises as pilots or was it just your typical hot air?
you also have yet to tell us why Laura Glading and the APFA didn't have the backbone to tell Parker that he had nothing to do with falling fuel prices and therefore is not due any profit sharing since he said that AA frontline employees don't influence profits.
So wasn't Laura just a little too ready to yell "industry leading" so she could get all of those new union dues even though AA's contract isn't industry leading at all and she let Parker get by with one huge lie and falsehood after another.
DL FAs need to know that is the kind of union leadership the industry has to deal with to the detriment of FAs in the industry.
it is YOU and them that have to prove that statement to be true.
and you still can't explain why the APFA didn't get anywhere near the pay rates that the APA got for pilots when you have been saying for years that DL non-contract people didn't get what the pilots did.
so, were you lying all along that an FA union could get the same pay raises as pilots or was it just your typical hot air?
you also have yet to tell us why Laura Glading and the APFA didn't have the backbone to tell Parker that he had nothing to do with falling fuel prices and therefore is not due any profit sharing since he said that AA frontline employees don't influence profits.
So wasn't Laura just a little too ready to yell "industry leading" so she could get all of those new union dues even though AA's contract isn't industry leading at all and she let Parker get by with one huge lie and falsehood after another.
DL FAs need to know that is the kind of union leadership the industry has to deal with to the detriment of FAs in the industry.
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