huh? DFW peaked at over 450 flights. LGA and JFK are about half of that. Also CVG was bigger than DTW/MSP have ever been at least under DL. CVG peaked at almost 600 flights.
CVG indeed was at almost 600 flights but the majority were 50 seat jets. that is why the economics of hubs that were heavily reliant on 50 seat jet feet - and MEM was the same thing - were not viable after $3/gal jet fuel became the norm.
CVG was DL's attempt at trying to decentralize DL's network away from ATL - which is why at its peak CVG had 5 TATL flights and a fairly strong presence of SR/SN which was DL's partner at the time.
But since CVG lies within a couple miles of the same interstate that connects ATL and DTW, it was obvious that it wasn't going to be viable with the NW merger. DTW has a stronger manufacturing base and despite the cuts DL has managed to keep most of the business traffic at CVG.
also, what you and others fail to appreciate is that DL essentially rolled the entire capacity that was at CVG into ATL; the capacity that was at DFW is now at JFK and LGA and then some.
IOW DL's capacity at ATL has grown as much as CVG as shrunk and in terms of seats, LGA and JFK are the size of CVG now - with DFW representing the additional growth that happened.
DTW and MSP are essentially new additions to the DL network - NW did an outstanding strategic job of building those hubs will DL's primary contribution being using the 777s and now 332 to add more Asia service to DTW operating at the same time.
airlines are not static. Changes take place in airline networks.
E has long argued that AA closed RDU and BNA which were AA's attempt to surround and divide ATL but it didn't work. CLT is the only hub that has been a viable alternative to ATL.
as such, I can accept E's statement that AA wisely redeployed its assets to defend MIA at a time when doing so helped push UA out of MIA.
holding onto a hub strategy from the past for any airline doesn't work including regarding DFW.
DL didn't have the local market share at DFW to make it viable as a hub for DL. Further, from a strategic standpoint, DL's pulldown of DFW laid the groundwork for the repeal of the Wright restrictions which we are now seeing is going to dramatically weaken AA's control of its home hub.
UA has yet to really focus on the hub restructuring that DL did and AA hasn't post merger either. UA's closure of CLE and refocusing LAX on local traffic have both worked based on available data. based on schedule data, it looks like IAD is the next to be trimmed.
As for AA, it is precisely because they have so many RJs - which they can't get out of - that they can't really restructure their hubs - and that is compounded by the fact that they are still using two res systems and two revenue mgmt. systems so their hubs are not linked together. thus a single res system will come first but eventually, AA will have to get rid of some of its duplicate hubs.
thus, the fact that DL has finished its rationalization of its network post merger but AA and UA isn't is no reason to think that DL has done something that other carriers will not.
and there are plenty of people here who are pretty emotional about PIT which is just as bare as CVG inside a fairly nice looking terminal.
You do know that Delta posted losses a few years after BK yes?
because Delta now compared to WN then isn't apples to apples.
WN had baby costs, was the media darling and was just a completely different animal even from what it is today. (and the market place was completely different too)
WN and Delta's costs are closer now, but WN's costs have also drastically increased since the early 2000s.
I'm sorry, but exactly who do you think you are?
You are simply a fool, a complete and total fool, if you believe that any airline is going to be drastically profitable after a 9/11 type event. I don't give a hot damn what Delta's costs are or what the balance sheet looks like. They are not going to make money if people aren't flying and the economy is collapsing. Its just that simple.
give me a minute and i will see if I can find a ounce of give a crap to give............
Nope. Don't care.
Uh.... thanks but no thanks. I completely understand whats going on at Delta and the industry in general. I do believe that for the most part Delta has cleaned up its balance sheet enough to weather a small to medium economic storm.
But no airline or company is not going to be hurting in an economic collapse like we saw in this industry post 9/11. Do i believe Delta will be back in BK again? not really. But i would expect them to post losses if no one is flying. (and to the point, if that happens profit sharing becomes zero.)
Yeah as I said above I don't need to do anything. Only thing I could do is put on the wedget glasses and stupidly think Delta is untouchable.
I truly hope the people running Delta are not nearly that stupid. I know the management teams you were are part of were, which is why we got to go down the road we did, but I believe the current management isn't anything like what you are use too...........
Again I will ask, who are you? Are you my mother?
I will again try and find a single ounce of crap to give about your opinion about me.....
nope sorry. could not give any less of a crap.
Oh no.
Oh hellllll no.
you need to tell us how friggin great it was.
Jeesh what kind of friggin horse crap is that? Bankruptcy and outsourcing is great. Its grand. Its a good thing man.
Oh but 7.5 sucked because it effected me. Now that i am just a keyboard worrier I can step back as say how great it is to see airline employees get screwed over because I got mine so piss on yall.
what a f%&king joke you are. smgdh
IOW, you don't really care about being rational or logical because you personally have been harmed by DL's strategic actions from the past, can't get over it, and will finish your career at DL and then some nursing ill will because of DFW.
rarely do people on here post for any length of time before their real motives become apparent.
I'm sorry you were negatively impacted by DL's decision to close DFW. there are plenty of people who cram onto the few remaining seats whenever they can get them to get on flights to ATL. you are hardly alone.
the past is over.
move on. If your mother didn't or wouldn't tell you to do it, then you shouldn't be surprised that you run into people on the internet that will tell you what you should do.
until then, every post you write about how DL has treated you are colored with the same perspective.
