Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[diamondcutter]

and what was the reason they reached out to the IAM but because the IAM had considerable inroads at NW where most of the union activity originates.and because the AFA was voted out... how many times did the AFA lose, Kevin?you just can't wrap your head around the idea that DL employees are not going to embrace a national union and if they do, DL mgmt. will absolutely ensure they are cut off so fast no other Dl employee will think twice about doing the same thing.why is it that you and others are so quick to remind us that Anderson was at NW before but seem unwilling to believe that he doesn't remember a few things about how NW kept labor in check, even if he wasn't the executioner in chief with NW's unions?

Back up with facts that you know what DL will do!

 

[Kev3188]

You asked and I answered .

Actually, I didn't ask.

To paint a picture of FA's beating down the door or the iam answering that door makes little difference to me.

You just described the same thing two different ways...

If you can claim that the iam is not the driving force or financial engine for this drive I would love to hear it. If your claim was that they came to the iam with 12000 cards in hand I would believe your claim.

The "driving force" in this campaign are the rank and file DL FAs. Period. Full stop.

 

[metopower]

Actually, I didn't ask.

You just described the same thing two different ways...

The "driving force" in this campaign are the rank and file DL FAs. Period. Full stop.

Some of the rank and file.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Back up with facts that you know what DL will do!

it's called common sense.

Kev said for years that DL paid premium wages to keep the unions out.

and yet now we have all kinds of people, Kev included, who think that DL will just keep shoveling money out even with unions.

why would DL have spent the money they did if they didn't really care about the results? and if they do care, why would they all of a sudden get along swimmingly - and their CEO have said that FAs that vote in a union would be destroying the DL culture?

You seem some people can't accept that this DL culture that they hate has dollar signs attached to it and they have been the beneficiary of those dollars. If they think they can do better, by all means do soo.... but don't think they won't regret their choice and find that the good old days really were.... of DL culture and compensation.'

and they won't be able to go back to them.

and more significantly, it is the same group of people who couldn't work with their own mgmt. at NW who are pushing for unionization at DL.

Why should any DL employee look at those people as examples of success given how successful NW was in "putting the unions in their place?"

suppose that the MSP FAs will still think it was good idea when all of their int'l trips are worked as ATL trips? Don't think for a minute that DL could do all kinds of things to quickly isolate the problem.

and the same goes for ACS and could well involve some or all of those stations that DL has preserved as part of merger.

You people are really not very smart if you don't think that DL has a laundry list of ways it will ensure the union movement is cut off before it even finds its feet.
 

Some of the rank and file.

and a whole lot of national union influence.

 

[Kev3188]

Some of the rank and file.

The majority anyway...

 

[metopower]

The majority anyway...

 
maybe......must wait for the vote.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, there are cards reflecting the majority of FAs.

It is far from known how many FAs actually signed those cards or what their cards mean.

 

[Kev3188]

maybe......must wait for the vote.

Of course. We also need oxygen to live.

Doesn't change the fact that it's the FAs who are in the wheelhouse for this campaign...

 

[WorldTraveler]

then why does the IAM need a paid spokesman pushing the campaign for them and why are hundreds of participants on THAT FB forum not DL employees?

 

[BABABOOY]

The "driving force" in this campaign are the rank and file DL FAs. Period. Full stop.

Just because you believe it doesn't make it so.
Period. backup, stop.
Some f/a's may have reached out to the IAM since the AFA got burned by us several times.
make no mistake 
The IAM is the "driving force" now and continues to be.  
 
-this campaign is ALL about the IAM and nothing to due with the Delta F/A's.
"Its a great day for the IAM"
12,000 possible cards signed is different
than 12,000 F/A's who signed cards.  

 

[Kev3188]

Just because you believe it doesn't make it so.

What I believe doesn't alter this reality one way or the other. Like it or not, it's your peers who are making this happen.

 

[metopower]

Of course. We also need oxygen to live.

Doesn't change the fact that it's the FAs who are in the wheelhouse for this campaign...

The FA's are in the  wheelhouse but are they stirring or just back seat driving? From  the looks of this i haven't seen any collections or fund drive to pay for any of this drive. Where is this oxygen that you speak of? Its money and resources .Both are fronted by the iam .Your claim that ths is a FA ground roots effort is hard to fathom. The question is always ...show me the money? Volunteers are one thing but who is paying for all the adds? the meeting rooms? the balloons? Where is the donation pot? But you don't have the answers to these questions because you ware not an iam official . I just have questions. Fronting the money is the same as paying for it. You are indebted to that institution no two ways about it.

 

[southwind]

And I do too but, also believe the voter should be informed before voting about the negative aspects of union representation and not just by the typical union propaganda, presented on this forum by the local IAM rep!

You know, like the fact that if a union gets in and can't live up to all the hype we see in this topic alone, that it could take up to 2 years to give them the boot.
Or the private golf course or the private corporate jet, unless all members are entitled to play on said course or fly in said corporate jet, when they feel like it. After all it's their money that pays for it!

 

[700UW]

and what was the reason they reached out to the IAM but because the IAM had considerable inroads at NW where most of the union activity originates.

and because the AFA was voted out... how many times did the AFA lose, Kevin?

you just can't wrap your head around the idea that DL employees are not going to embrace a national union and if they do, DL mgmt. will absolutely ensure they are cut off so fast no other Dl employee will think twice about doing the same thing.

why is it that you and others are so quick to remind us that Anderson was at NW before but seem unwilling to believe that he doesn't remember a few things about how NW kept labor in check, even if he wasn't the executioner in chief with NW's unions?

You do realize there are less than 6,000 PMNW at DL, the majority of the cards signed are PMDL and Current DL.
 
And once again you prove your ignorance of Sectin 6, DL cant cut anyone off, there is a thing called Status Quo under the RLA.

You have been told this many many times, yet you continue with the lies, threats and misinformation.

World Fraudster strikes once again.

 

[700UW]

then why does the IAM need a paid spokesman pushing the campaign for them and why are hundreds of participants on THAT FB forum not DL employees?

Who is a paid spokesman?
 
Are you making up lies again?