Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WeAAsles]

Because I looked up each city on the IAM/TWU list and it shows, 13 for PMAA and 37 for PMUS, the information is in the station agreement between the IAM and TWU.
 
So still waiting for proof that US doesnt schedule mainline flights to avoid staffing the station, you made the claim so back it up.
 
Last time I checked this is about Fleet and FAs.
 
But lets compare scope language from US and AA to Delta, how about US to DL in pension and insurance?
 
So does DL have mainline ramp in 50 cities?
 
Come and answer it, as you clearly avoided it as you know the combined US/AA has more mainline stations than DL, so that blows your argument out of the water.

I will be in 2 weeks at $24.39 in BASE wages while my DL counterpart will be at $24.82. (I do not get Profit Sharing) BUT we have ZERO staffed cities that are a part of the Ready Reserve system so EVERY FSC at the new AA is on the same scale to be able to reach what I make and not have to wallow at $14.00 per hour with no benefits.

My medical insurance is far and away better than the DL program from all of the horror stories I have read on other social media forums (Where those individuals have posted actual copies of their bills) If you are unfortunate enough to get any type of illness, if you are one of those individuals not on the RR program your Profit Sharing is wiped out to pay for your expenses. Making that an in one pocket, out the other shell game.

My CONTRACT is currently 209 pages that has language guaranteeing me a certain security and quality of life over my DL counterpart. If I have any issues with management there is a process in place guaranteed through the RLA and an "independent"  arbitration procedure that may restore me to my position within the company if I am terminated unjustly. My DL counterparts (Pilots excluded) do not currently enjoy that benefit. 

If AA or the US side is hiring you will not see what you see in this job posting. 13 cities ALL of which are only offering Ready Reserve positions. If someone is willing to leave those cities and go to a Hub what are the chances and time frames for that individual to reach the top of the ladder? (The better top rate) I reached TOP rate in 8 years.

https://delta.greatjob.net/jobs/JobListingAction.action;jsessionid=829145A6615CE3DC8ACB356014665CDC?jobCategory=&PSUID=19c148dc-f02b-4593-80b5-595afc5a125a

 

[Kev3188]

It takes 11.5 years to reach TOS at DL...

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

actually, 700, you are NOT voting.

it is precisely that a few (thousand) people are struggling to understand who gets to vote and who doesn't that the IAM had to pull its application.

If there was near as much wind behind the union movement, there weren't be tens of thousands of worthless IAM membership cards that were cancelled as soon as DL employees - all of them - got to vote.

dawg is quick to point that DL IS a unified carrier... and yes it is, and the democratic decision is that DL people do not want further unionization.

No, we do not.

BTW, were any of those cities mentioned earlier existing points for PMUS ramp at the time the scope language was written?

No?

Then this latest little exercise has to be seen as nothing more than a deliberate attempt to derail the discussion.

if you are talking about the 4 cities, are you telling me that a provision in the CBA that says that any city that wasn't on a particular list as of a certain date çan be scheduled any way the company wants?

If the rule is that any city with an average of one mainline flight per day has to be staffed with IAM represented mainline people, then are those 4 cities mainline staffed or not?

if they are not, it is absolutely relevant to this notion that PMUS scope language is so great and points specifically to the reality that companies do all the can to get what they want and unions are powerless to do much about it.

now for about the 4th time, are those 4 cities mainline staffed or not?

 

[700UW]

See you don't get it at all.

That language became into effect last year and saved several stations from being outsourced , and the annual review won't take place till the end of the year.

By the way glad to see once again you were wrong and the new AA has more maiine staffed cities on the ramp than DL.

 

[Kev3188]

Oh no, he gets it.

He either very clearly doesn't know the difference between existing and new points in scope language, or he just likes f'ing with you.

Or both...

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, it appears that the only one that enjoys

f'ing with

anyone is US with its IAM represented employees... driving a truck right thru the chasm that CBA language leaves.

 

[700UW]

Clueless

 

[WorldTraveler]

actually, deadly accurate.

 

[700UW]

Only in your mind.
 
Cant handle the truth that the New AA has more mainline ramp stations than your beloved DL.

 

[WeAAsles]

It takes 11.5 years to reach TOS at DL...

Kev does time served under the Ready Reserve system count toward that 11.5 years if someone transfers over to get off of it?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Only in your mind.
 
Cant handle the truth that the New AA has more mainline ramp stations than your beloved DL.

except the new AA is two separate airlines for the ramp.

dawg has told us repeatedly.

there is no JCBA.

you want to pick the best of both CBAs and there is absolutely no assurance what will remain.

The only thing that is known is that Profit Sharing won't be part of any AA JCBA. that feature alone is certain to me that AA's JCBAs cannot be industry leading in total compensation at a time when airline profits are the best they have been in the history of the US airline industry.

 

[700UW]

U.S. and AA are working each other's metal where one is not staffed.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev does time served under the Ready Reserve system count toward that 11.5 years if someone transfers over to get off of it?

I don't think so, but would have to look.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't think so, but would have to look.

That could be a big one? Say I'm stuck in RR for 5 years because there are no openings for the top tier rate available by my time in the company. When I finally do get one (what I want) it will now take me a total of 16.5 years to reach the pie in the sky. That's a big percentage of my life there.

Oh and on the PS. I'm sorry but "I" feel that the cost that DL asks of me in return for it is far too high a price I would ever like to pay.

No thank you.