Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[southwind]

Do you have an actual J.O.B. or do your checks come from the IAM?

 

[700UW]

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/07/profit_sharing_was_supposed_to_be_a_silver_bullet_for_middle_class_success_what_happened/

 

[WeAAsles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vky9X5Deryg


Yeh, this one's for the workers who toil night and day
By hand and by brain to earn your pay
Who for centuries long past for no more than your bread
Have bled for your countries and counted your dead

In the factories and mills, in the shipyards and mines
We've often been told to keep up with the times
For our skills are not needed, they've streamlined the job
And with sliderule and stopwatch our pride they have robbed

[Chorus:]
We're the first ones to starve, we're the first ones to die
The first ones in line for that pie-in-the-sky
And we're always the last when the cream is shared out
For the worker is working when the fat cat's about

And when the sky darkens and the prospect is war
Who's given a gun and then pushed to the fore
And expected to die for the land of our birth
Though we've never owned one lousy handful of earth?

[Chorus x3]

All of these things the worker has done
From tilling the fields to carrying the gun
We've been yoked to the plough since time first began
And always expected to carry the can

 

[700UW]

Do you have an actual J.O.B. or do your checks come from the IAM?

Go back to school and take remedial English, you obviously have a serious Reading Comprehension problem.
 
Go ask your Buddy WT, you wont find my name on an IAM LM2 after 2013, when I worked the raid for the summer.
 
I help run and work for a small business.
 
So try another red herring, guess you are going to have to give back your certificate of completion in English.

 

[700UW]

 

[southwind]

Go back to school and take remedial English, you obviously have a serious Reading Comprehension problem.
 
Go ask your Buddy WT, you wont find my name on an IAM LM2 after 2013, when I worked the raid for the summer.
 
I help run and work for a small business.
 
So try another red herring, guess you are going to have to give back your certificate of completion in English.

And as much time as you spend on these boards, I take it that small company is going under!

 

[700UW]

Doing well, and doing over six figures a year in business.
 
Go fix some lav pumps.

 

[topDawg]

All the I AM has to do is provide a compelling case for representing DL employees but they simply have not. Leave cancer cures to people who know how to do that.

DL people have no interest in further unions

And if you want to forget the past and nearly a dozen no votes as part of the merger then don't be surprised if DL people are even more emboldened that they want to ensure NW unions and labor relations are never seen at DL

hey stop rambling and answer the question. 
 

Can you or can't you prove how much money the IAM has spent on the union drive(s) at Delta Air Lines compared to how much donation money has been spent on those same union drives. Simple yes or no question.

 

yes, and if you didn't know, there hasn't been a single airline union that has been voted out without replacement with another union.

Give me one work group at any airline who wants to become union. 
 

typical union scum who can only wish ill will on someone instead of demonstrate the value of what they can contribute to the workplace.

not what the union movement contributed dozens of years ago but what they have contributed today.

DL employees have fared far better than their peers at other airlines.

And it's amazing how the thread about increased medical costs is coming by AA's own employees despite the years of attempts by union sales people trying to argue how bad DL employees have it.

once again, unions love to make promises but can't deliver.

why not? you constantly do that and wish bad for them, why can't they do the same for you? 
 
You really think you are special don't you? 
 

what, you mean a union can't GUARANTEE better time off policies on Labor Day than its peers at a non-union airline can?

You really need to find something to do with your free time. 
 
I would say picking up a few classes to learn about labor.......

 

[BABABOOY]

Just amazing how this thread is not locked or deleted, whereas others just disappear.

 

[WorldTraveler]

dawg,

I've given you the information multiple times to find what the IAM has spent on the DL campaign. if you are half as competent at reading data as you claim you are, then it shouldn't be hard for you to see that the IAM has spent tens of thousands of dollars in 2014 including for nearly $20K in salaries for DL employees, yes, DL employees who also are being paid by the IAM.

I never said that anyone WANTS to be unionized for the sake of being in a union.

they want the best paid and benefits that they can get.

DL's strategy is that they provide better than what unions can provide and DL employees THEMSELVES decide unions aren't worth it.

as much as the PMNW people and the IAM want to moan, virtually EVERY merger or asset acquisition that DL has engaged in has involved some of the newly joined employees from the asset or acquisition becoming non-union in the process.

The PMNW pro-labor people will die off and retire (or be fired) and be diluted by new hire employees who want nothing to do with unions and don't bear the scars from their formerly abusive employers.

 

[metopower]

Just amazing how this thread is not locked or deleted, whereas others just disappear.

Totally agree. If it were positive about DL it would have been gone a long time ago.

 

[Kev3188]

The PMNW pro-labor people will die off and retire (or be fired) and be diluted by new hire employees who want nothing to do with unions and don't bear the scars from their formerly abusive employers.

You forgot to add "outsourced" to your list.

Nevertheless, I'm sure that would make some people very happy.

 

[700UW]

Only thing you provided was an LM2, it doesn't show it all, but DL doesn't have to report what it has spent.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Fitting in at DL is all anyone can be expected to do, Kev.

and if you want to include outsourcing, be sure and note how well you have fared POST MERGER (ie without a CBA) compared to your peers at AA and UA who do have CBAs.

and be sure and see the list of clients that dawg lists as sending their work to DL; and you will note that such lists of insourced work simply don't exist at AA and UA despite having considerable maintenance capabilities of their own.

and then WN has had heavy outsourcing as part of its business plan from the beginning.

 

[topDawg]

Fitting in at DL is all anyone can be expected to do, Kev.

and if you want to include outsourcing, be sure and note how well you have fared POST MERGER (ie without a CBA) compared to your peers at AA and UA who do have CBAs.

and be sure and see the list of clients that dawg lists as sending their work to DL; and you will note that such lists of insourced work simply don't exist at AA and UA despite having considerable maintenance capabilities of their own.

and then WN has had heavy outsourcing as part of its business plan from the beginning.

UA has the USAF PW2000 contract for the C17s, that is worth more engines than the airline deals with Delta I have listed on the CFM56....... 
UA also does plenty of PW4000 and PW2000 engine work for OALs. 
 

dawg,

I've given you the information multiple times to find what the IAM has spent on the DL campaign. if you are half as competent at reading data as you claim you are, then it shouldn't be hard for you to see that the IAM has spent tens of thousands of dollars in 2014 including for nearly $20K in salaries for DL employees, yes, DL employees who also are being paid by the IAM.

I never said that anyone WANTS to be unionized for the sake of being in a union.

they want the best paid and benefits that they can get.

DL's strategy is that they provide better than what unions can provide and DL employees THEMSELVES decide unions aren't worth it.

as much as the PMNW people and the IAM want to moan, virtually EVERY merger or asset acquisition that DL has engaged in has involved some of the newly joined employees from the asset or acquisition becoming non-union in the process.

The PMNW pro-labor people will die off and retire (or be fired) and be diluted by new hire employees who want nothing to do with unions and don't bear the scars from their formerly abusive employers.

You have not posted anything that shows donations vs coming from the IAM general fund......