Hp Hiring Flight Attendants

[Schatzee]

Well this class in September must be the last one for awhile. If you go to the America West website, they are not accepting applications for F/A's or Pilots. But they are hiring in Res, Maintenance, Customer Service at airports and IT.

 

[airlinedivalish]

Well this class in September must be the last one for awhile. If you go to the America West website, they are not accepting applications for F/A's or Pilots. But they are hiring in Res, Maintenance, Customer Service at airports and IT.

[post="283763"][/post]​

America West had Flight Attendant classes scheduled until November and then after the Merger was announced, they cancelled all those classes.

Now they are starting to call back the ones that were hired and scheduled for those classes.

So yah, those classes are being filled by the ones that got hired already.

 

[xoxo]

America West had Flight Attendant classes scheduled until November and then after the Merger was announced, they cancelled all those classes.

Now they are starting to call back the ones that were hired and scheduled for those classes.

So yah, those classes are being filled by the ones that got hired already.

[post="283838"][/post]​

I was told by an AWA f/a that the SEP class was actually cancelled. They said it would be NOV or DEC before it will be rescheduled. Anyone else heard this?

 

[MAABoss]

Can I just say that there really won't be a whole-lotta f/a trying to get into phx. most of our f/a commute from the southeast, FLorida to be exact. It is immpossible sometimes to nonrev because of all the commuters. The f/a that commute from LA are mostly leaving on the VFLR's. NOBODY WANTS PHX!!!! Chill out....GOSH!!!!!!!!!! There will be more f/a trying to come to the east coast to be based from AWA. I have not even ONCE heard a f/a that is junior to AWA's f/a's complain about AWA f/a's coming into PHL..CLT..Anywhere. We will all be as one. So, just relax and chill out.

As far as the title of this thread. I did talk to a few people I know at AWA, and yes, it is not a rumor. AWA has a class for SEP. So, for you all to be hiring still, there must be something else going on. What I mean is they must not expect to furlough after the merger because I do not feel like they would hire just to furlough. That would be stupid.

[post="282095"][/post]​

"What I mean is they must not expect to furlough after the merger because I do not feel like they would hire just to furlough. That would be stupid."

Why not?? MidAtlantic did it!

 

[airlinedivalish]

This came from training Dept. It has now been pushed to 2006 of next year.

 

[desertgal]

Without HP, US would be a memory, remember that please.

[post="282133"][/post]​

Please note this poster's user name.
There are many who actually work at HP who do not take this point of view.
I actually view it more along the lines of Us/Boston.

I think we were sitting ducks if we didn't do SOMETHING. And lucky for us, US was in chapter 11. Don't forget, that is the key to this whole deal, allowing us to get out of certain leases and contract, 'right size' the airline, to use one of Doogies expressions.
US is twice as large as HP, and believe it or not, still has a large group of loyal fliers. Lucrative European routes, experienced flight crews, etc...
HP is not swooping in to rescue anyone. The investors are putting up the money for this COMBINED airline. HP on its own dosen't have any money.
Imagine, if you will, WN swooping in on HP if as soon as we ran into heavy losses.
They'd gobble us up in one bite, and none of us would be guaranteed a job w/them!
HP has worked long and hard to build what we have today. But US has worked longer and harder, and built more. And they will represent 2/3 of the new company.
Hp has worked its way out of bankruptcy, US has done it before, too.
Its not fair to assume without HP, US would be history.

That said, I know there are some ignorants at HP who would agree with retiree.
I always try to show them this flip side.

 

[desertgal]

Back to the original topic, I also have heard rumors out of training about filling new classes w/furloughed US people. Which I agree is a good idea. So there is hope.
But I wonder if furloughed old US FAs will be eligible for recall w/seniority to the new US, a company they never actually worked for?
Once the companies are merged into a new entity, and the seniority list is posted for the new company, wouldn't anyone not active at that time be left off of it? Rehired as a courtesy, but still a newhire? How can you be recalled to an airline that dosen't exist anymore?
I've been trying to get this answered for awhile.

 

[Light Years]

The airline brings it's list to the merger, active and otherwise. There's also the limbo of MAA which could be shown as active if the pilots are successful in thier lawsuit. If everything goes right there will be no involuntary furloughees at the time of the integration what with all of the VFLRs and retirements.

Offering the HP positions to US furloughees would be a good idea. It would offer jobs to the US folks who want it, and when the integration happens, they would jump back to thier US slot, and there would be no need to furlough new hires if that makes sense.

It would be good culturally too to have F/As that have been on both sides of the fence.

 

[desertgal]

Light Years, could you please explain the deall w/MAA?
As I understand it, it is a subsidiary of US, but is being sold?
Many of the FAs there are furloughed from US?
Do they have their own union?

 

[LUV2FLYHIGH]

Just to put the bug in all your ears, but they might offer VLOA's for November for AWA's FAs but we won't now till the 1st of October, and new classes MIGHT start up in the spring, that was just a little tidbit we got through the hotline.. Till then FLY SAFE..

 

[Light Years]

Light Years, could you please explain the deall w/MAA?
As I understand it, it is a subsidiary of US, but is being sold?
Many of the FAs there are furloughed from US?
Do they have their own union?

[post="286116"][/post]​

MAA is a division of US Airways, it's actually not a subsidiary. Unlike the subsidiaries, PSA and Piedmont, MAA is not an actual airline with it's own certificate. As far as the FAA is concerned, it is US Airways.

US Airways Group owns three airlines- US Airways Inc (which includes the US Airways Shuttle and "MidAtlantic" operation), Piedmont Airlines Inc, and PSA Airlines Inc. (You'll see these referred to here as "W/O" or "wholly-owneds", as opposed to contracted Express carriers like Mesa etc). US does all it can to present MAA like a subsidiary to keep confusion and apathy towards it, hence the "MidAtlantic Airways" name and "US Airways Express" branding.

Basically, the E170s are operated by US Airways but in a fenced operation. Furloughed US employees were called back to staff these aircraft, falling in at thier US seniority. You only work the E170, you are fenced off from the rest of the operation, but you are still responsible for the rest of US and carry the same manual, attend the same recurrent, and can jumpseat on all aircraft etc. You are again a flight attendant for US Airways, as there is no company called MidAtlantic.

There are furloughed F/As at the subsidiaries or Express carriers too, but they had to interview to work there, didn't bring seniority, and can't jumpseat as they are not current qualified US Airways F/As as the MAA ones are. By no every involuntarily furloughed US F/A has had at least one chance to return to MAA, most have had several.

Anyway, back to MAA... All of the F/As are furloughed from US as it can only use the US Airways seniority list, no one can be hired for it. You are simply recalled to it and can go back voluntarily- whether you do or don't doesn't affect your recall to "full mainline"- although you must fullfill a 90 day commitment to MAA or you lose recall. The "idea", in a perfect world was that in the future, everyone would flow back to "full mainline" and MAA would be where new hires would start before flowing up.

The same goes for pilots, although the recall list was exhausted so US went to it's subsidiaries. These pilots gave up thier job at the subsidiary to join MAA and be tacked to the bottom of the mainline recall list. So all of the captains are mainline as are some F/Os, but the majority of F/Os are from the W/Os.

The MAA F/As have thier own "council" within US Airways AFA. The pilots have a lawsiut against the company and ALPA as they are paying dues as "active" US Airways pilots but being treated as a seperate entity. If they are successful (thier lawyer is an airline labor expert who has never lost a case) US may have to stop thier divide and conquer/seperate but equal MidAtlantic sham.

It's all very confusing, which it was fully intended to be. I'm not sure if my explanation makes any sense. It's basically an in-house alter-ego operation using furloughed employees, as opposed to the subsidiaries which are actual seperate airlines with thier own unions and seniority lists.

 

[diogenes]

Excellent post, LY.

 

[desertgal]

Thank you for the info, you're right it is confusing.
Please clarify, do Piedmont and PSA, as subsidiaries, operate seperately from mainline?
I was under the impression they were 'absorbed' into USAirways.
And, F/As flying under MAA, are they on a different pay scale than mainline?
A 90day commitment dosen't seem like too much, and yet I have heard MAA FAs complain about it. Where else would they go?
Which is more correct, MAA or MDA?
And, is it being sold to Republic?

 

[desertgal]

OK, got some answers from a PM.
To share w/other HP emps:
The current PSA and Piedmont have nothing to do with the original PSA and Piedmont.
And, the MidAtlantic is indeed being sold off, to be contracted back again, however, w/o the US crews.

LY, did I get that right?

 

[Light Years]

Thank you for the info, you're right it is confusing.
Please clarify,  do Piedmont and PSA, as subsidiaries, operate seperately from mainline?
I was under the impression they were 'absorbed' into USAirways.
And, F/As flying under MAA, are they on a different pay scale than mainline?
A 90day commitment dosen't seem like too much, and yet I have heard MAA FAs complain about it. Where else would they go?
Which is more correct, MAA or MDA?
And, is it being sold to Republic?

[post="286272"][/post]​

* The current Piedmont and PSA have nothing to do with the Piedmont and PSA that were absorbed into USAir in 1988. These are regional airlines US Airways owns that they named after those airlines to protect the names from being used. There was an Allegheny Airlines too but they consolidated it into Piedmont. It does make things confusing.

* PDT and PSA operate seperately from the mainline and each other. PDT operates Dash 8s and PSA operate CRJs. They each have thier own certificate, headquarters, training facilities, contracts, and seniority lists. They have thier own unions, but both are AFA. THey have thier own ground employees too. Some stations, and Express at the hubs are either PDT or PSA and these ground employees handle all Express carriers (with the exception of MAA which have thier own or are handled by mainline).

* The F/As on MAA are under a different payscale but go by thier time at mainline. For example, if you were furloughed in your fourth year at mainline, when recalled to MAA, you go in at four year MAA pay, in the same seniority order as mainline.

* The 90 day commitment isn't bad, the complaints are from the ones just recently called back. The company nows that all of the MAA F/As had long fullfilled the committment, and could simply leave en masse, retaining thier recall but crippling the 170 operation (it's not like they can hire for it, and the planes won't transfer all at once). So they recalled more F/As who were unaware that the division has been sold, and they came back to work, moved back from wherever they were, only to be told that they will be laid off again in a matter of months but have to stay 90 days or they are out of the company altogether. Pretty shady.

* There are mainline furloughed F/As at the various Express carriers, but they did not get preferential hiring or bring any seniority or anything with them, they were simply new hires. Many of the Express carriers, W/O or otherwise, won't hire mainline furloughees because they think they are either spoiled or too union-savvy, plus they could be recalled at any time.

MAA was the better option as you did not need to interview or go through training, just a couple days of recurrent and qualification on the E170. It was also a full-size plane as opposed to an RJ or prop. You also worked with your collegues who have been through the same thing you have, plus everyone was professional as they came from mainline (I'm sorry but it does make a difference). The attitude and morale was good as everyone who returned did so voluntarily and really cared about the company and it's product. And of course, you jumpseated and traveled as a US F/A, and brought your seniority with you. Your juniority at mainline translated into top of the list at MAA. Pay and contract are pretty much as any of the Express carriers would be.

* Neither MAA or MDA are really official, but it seems MAA is more commonly used. Most of the F/As there refuse to call it "MidAtlantic" at all, and no crewmember ever uses the word "Express" in any announcements. On here it's usually referred to as MAA or EMB/E170/170 Division.

* The 28 MAA a/c are being sold to Republic, along with the remaining orders, simulators, and some of US Airways slots and gates at DCA (which Republic will "lease back" to US). The aircraft will be operated by Republic, with Republic employees, as US Airways Express. Republic has only agreed to take some pilots (all but 2 have refused to go), and has offered the F/As nothing but an interview. If hired, they would be treated just as any other new hire. They might not even be on the 170 or even in the US Airways system. These F/As will all return to furlough, only a year after the division began (April 04).