IAM Do they fight for your jobs or work?

[Solidarity]

I heard that in LAS the TWU FSE transfer baggage for the IAM FSE. Is this true?

 

[delldude]

IAM Do they fight for your jobs or work?

this was the topic of your post....why do you change the queerie then?
the answer is YES

 

[robbedagain]

if youre fleet service, well they dont have much of a track record when they sell out their own brothers and sisters in the mid sized cities. about 20 cities come to my mind!

 

[HPMKE]

this was the topic of your post....why do you change the queerie then?
the answer is YES

Give the complete answer that is YES if your a Class 1 city and NO WAY IN HELL if your a Class 2 station. Just ask all those who were outsourced.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Give the complete answer that is YES if your a Class 1 city and NO WAY IN HELL if your a Class 2 station. Just ask all those who were outsourced.

I know this is for a different IAM contract but.......sounds like ALL the IAM union members, no matter which contract, are NOT happy. Whether it's M&R or Rampers or whomever. Yikes!!

Time for a sweeping change from what I've been reading.

Best to all of us.

 

[700UW]

I guess none of you realize that US management used the bankruptcy laws to pillage the CBAs and even had two of the three IAM contracts abrogated in court. Two bankruptcies in less then two years and three rounds of concessions.

You people at HP were so lowly paid that you did not have anything left for your company to come take from you when the ATSB gave you your loan, they even stated that HP employees' wages were below market labor rates.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I guess none of you realize that US management used the bankruptcy laws to pillage the CBAs and even had two of the three IAM contracts abrogated in court. Two bankruptcies in less then two years and three rounds of concessions.

You people at HP were so lowly paid that you did not have anything left for your company to come take from you when the ATSB gave you your loan, they even stated that HP employees' wages were below market labor rates.

Yes, AWA has ALWAYS been a low paid group. But no one made us stay. And that has helped us survive. And has brought us where we are today.......merged and a new airline. And that is the train of thought that will continue when it comes to costs with the new airline. It was rather convenient that the old US Airways pay scales were reduced (by various means and measures) to fall right in line with the AWA scales. So with that being done over the past few years, the merger was right on track and easy for the courts and creditors to buy off on. Remember, the merger talks were started a number of years ago and then put aside.......then AWA's talks with ATA and those were scrapped........then the talks with US Airways were restarted.........right about the time of the latest contracts. So...........it was all calculated then and I'm sure is all calculated as of this very second. And no one will know which "plan" will be pulled from the file until the time is right.

 

[usair_lifer_yeah_right]

Do the IAM fight for your job?

You gotta be kidding, they only fight for their own existence. All the union drum beaters know this is true, they are just worried about their own arse.

The IAM sold out a whole bunch of mechanics and related in 2005.
700UW, save your chest beating, you know the truth. It was either sink or swim for the IAM and they launched a bunch of workers by scaring the rest into voting to toss their brethen. And dont preach that "it was the judges fault" crap, the IAM should have launched a wild cat. But instead they tossed a bunch out of the boat.

But the IAM will fight for your job, the only ones who I seen the IAM save were the worthless, the thieves, the slackers, the sleepers..etc.....I seen them get guys jobs back who where caught stealing 3 to 4 times!!!???

Never forget, the IAM as all unions are nothing more than big business who want your money, think any differently and your head is stuck in the sand.

There, nothing like a little ranting in the morning...🙂

G'Day

 

[delldude]

The IAM sold out a whole bunch of mechanics and related in 2005.
700UW, save your chest beating, you know the truth. It was either sink or swim for the IAM and they launched a bunch of workers by scaring the rest into voting to toss their brethen. And dont preach that "it was the judges fault" crap, the IAM should have launched a wild cat. But instead they tossed a bunch out of the boat.

your coworkers bought that deal hook,line and sinker.be mad at them.
and they did vote to strike and never even thought a strike vote would pass,but it did and they messed their drawers and pressured IAM and the company for a revote.. .they all had families to be concerned about

But the IAM will fight for your job, the only ones who I seen the IAM save were the worthless, the thieves, the slackers, the sleepers..etc.....I seen them get guys jobs back who where caught stealing 3 to 4 times!!!???

you're funny dude...i know personally of a bunch who went out the doors in PIT to never return and for the violations you mention too.

There, nothing like a little ranting in the morning...

surf's up mate!

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I guess none of you realize that US management used the bankruptcy laws to pillage the CBAs and even had two of the three IAM contracts abrogated in court. Two bankruptcies in less then two years and three rounds of concessions.

You people at HP were so lowly paid that you did not have anything left for your company to come take from you when the ATSB gave you your loan, they even stated that HP employees' wages were below market labor rates.

True.......but now we are all in the same boat. The IAM contract has pretty much matched the pay scales of the IBT contract BUT the IBT contract has better vacation and better sick time. And yes, the MX scope of the IAM contract has more in house maintenance right now BUT there are statements that COULD continue the current outsourcing and possibly even increase the outsourcing. The IBT contract is open and being negotiated. The IAM contract is NOT.

You keep saying that the union didn't sell out, the members did. Well, now's the time for the members to step up to the plate and do the right thing.........TRY to get back what they've lost. Can that be accomplished prior to 2009, 2010, 2011.........????

And please explain to me why, when I contacted the IAM via the e-mail address on the web site, I have NOT received ANY type of response. And please don't tell me that they won't "talk" to me because I am not a member. That's not a legitimate reason. The IBT has been more than willing to talk to me as well as everyone else that is not currently a member.

 

[700UW]

The contract is not amendable and the ibt contract will go away upon a SCS ruling and even with an election the IAM CBA remains in effect.

I cannot answer for the district, why dont you call them?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The contract is not amendable and the ibt contract will go away upon a SCS ruling and even with an election the IAM CBA remains in effect.

I cannot answer for the district, why dont you call them?

That bites......stuck with it for so long.......please, please, please try to make me and many others, understand WHY you so fiercely hang onto and defend this abrogated, non-ammendable contract. You slam the AWA workers for being low paid but the old US Airways workers have taken it in the shorts so now that those wages are comparable to the ones you think are so bad.

I will call them and in the mean time, how about giving me a local contact.......I'm willing to follow the chain IF I have the contact.

 

[700UW]

The scope language will add more jobs to the company when the heavy mtc work on the west planes are brought in-house.

And in transition negotiations there will be improvements so the west employees are not harmed in the merger, that is how it works, being through several mergers as you west employees have not.

And let me explain this to you for the 100th time, no matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving document, not the ibt/hp CBA, that is legal precedence. Is that so hard to comprehend?

So you keep wasting time about in regard to the ibt negotiations.

 

[usair_lifer_yeah_right]

And let me explain this to you for the 100th time, no matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving document, not the ibt/hp CBA, that is legal precedence. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Pull your head out of the sand pal.....

Everyone thought a "union contract" was solid until the judge told the company.."Do whatever you want"...

There isn't anything in this business that is written in stone or blood.....

You may take your blinders off whenever you like....🙂

G'Day

 

[700UW]

They are not in bankruptcy anymore, they have to follow the RLA and the NMB Policies and Procedures.

And if you knew anything about bankruptcy you would know there is a process for abrogate a CBA.