IAM Fleet Service Thread

[NYGiantsFan90]

Thanks Al you beat me to it, lol!

And here is the profit sharing elimination language:

The IAM agrees that it irrevocably waives and thus will not be eligible for any future profit sharing payments. It also agrees that such future monies that would otherwise have been due to the IAM under the profit sharing program will not be paid to the IAM and instead will be retained by the Company and will not be available for distribution for profit sharing to any other employee groups.

Ok Jimmy, here are the details.

You didnt give anything up, you were non-union employees at will, therefore the company could do what they want with you.

You voted how many times for a union before it passed?

Your own fault.

The IAM took concessions for M&R in 1992 also.

 

[AluminumEnemaTime]

If you remember correctly, Fleet had been giving up for many many years before MTC even took 1 hit, basically there was nothing left for us to give.....think about it! If we gave 23 1/2 % we would have been under minimum wage, so the company took what was left.

That was your own fault for waiting so long to even get unnionized, and now all you do is complain about your union. :down:

If you were not unionized, you would be at 11 bucks an hour.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Well you tell me why the company and the NMB broke every law in existence by forcing a vote on Fleet, while utility at PI didn't even exist, again Fleet taking the brunt of the cuts all the way back to the PI merger...If any group should have voted , it should have been MTC....

If the same had taken place at MTC, you too would have been in the same boat.......NON-UNION.....

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

What laws did they break?

And PI did have Utility (cleaners) at a few stations prior to the merger.

DCA, LGA, GSO, INT and a couple of others.

A vote was done because when US merged with PSA, both were IBT, US at only four stations, a vote was held and they went IBT systemwide, according to NMB procedures when PI and US merged there was over a 35% of total unionization on the ramp, that is why there was another vote in 1989, which failed.

There were no laws broken and as you say there were, please post them and show us.

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

Jimmy,

How is it a slap in the face about the pension rates?

Those are based on wages and Mechanics make more than Fleet.

Also M&R lost their DBP plan while you all had the IAMNPF.

The M&R give back without the pension in 2005 was/is $268 million

 

[AluminumEnemaTime]

$20hr, extra benefits, extra scope. The context of the negotiations is merger. The company just offered the mechanics a 16% pay raise [wage and LP] and extra benefits even though oil is approaching $120 a barrell. 16% for east siders is well over $20hr.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Tim, here is why the mechanics will and should be getting more:
INFORMATION ON THE HUB:

How is the profit sharing pool allocated between groups? Under the collective bargaining
agreements, each union’s share of the profit sharing pool is based on that union’s share of total labor
cost savings at pre-merger US Airways.

IAM – Maintenance &
Related 23.43%

IAM – Fleet Service 9.18%

23.43 - 9.18 = 14.25 % The M&R group was taken by more than 14.25% MORE than the fleet was. So the offers are going to be very different. Its just basic math guys.

This is not about the union screwing one group over the other, we gave more so we deserve to recover more.

 

[orioleman]

mr enema,
"With that being said the mechanics share was over 23%, and the fleet was somewhere around 9%.
THIS IS FACTUAL, NOT MISINFORMATION (LIES) Hers the proof:"



can you explain WHY that percentage was so HIGH.. CAN YOU SAY , lets throw our brothers and sister in UTILITY under the bus and get a BIG

cost concession by getting rid of them.. It's sad the ones who sacrificed the most on that concession . don't even get any of the P/S .. NOW Thats UNITY for alright

 

[cltrat]

I would also suggest going back to the mtc. thread a good idea as you are very close to time off. So consider this a warning & this is also for any one else who wants to make it personal. We are tired of playing games. Time off awaits.

is it too much to ask to quit with the threats and get these mtc people out of our thread?

 

[WHISPERJETT]

INFORMATION ON THE HUB:

How is the profit sharing pool allocated between groups? Under the collective bargaining
agreements, each union’s share of the profit sharing pool is based on that union’s share of total labor
cost savings at pre-merger US Airways.

IAM – Maintenance &
Related 23.43%

IAM – Fleet Service 9.18%

23.43 - 9.18 = 14.25 % The M&R group was taken by more than 14.25% MORE than the fleet was. So the offers are going to be very different. Its just basic math guys.

I would still fight for the drivers license premium!

You guys gave up alot like all work groups did.....but one of the biggest things MX gave up were their Utility Brothers....are you sending those folks that lost their jobs part of your check??

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

You all seem to forget, it was not an agreement reached by both the IAM and US, the Judge abrogated the CBA and the members ratified a final offer from the company.

It was a no win situation, just like how your fellow fleet brothers and sisters threw the class II Stations under the bus and how many cities was outsourced?

And there were around a 1,000 utility system wide making $17 an hour, lets add the math, salary alone it was only around $35 Million a year, so what did the other $230 Million come from?

Keep posting things that dont make sense, we will refute them everytime.

 

[pjirish317]

Lets get this back to fleet shall we. We all know MTC will eat their own for a dollar. :down: 😛h34r:


What everybody will have to decide is what is fair and respectable for themselves. For me, if the comapny wants the CIC language gone, IMO it should be about $21 to $22 per hour. Because that is around where we would be if it is triggered. For profit sharing, since it does not cost the company anything to give it to us, we helped make the company the profits, I would like to see sick time back, vacation accrual back, doubletime, DOH senority intergration, 60 Day rule eliminated across the board, shift differential, health/dental benefit improvements, etc, etc, etc. I realize I am setting my standards high, but I am hopefull that a "happy medium" can be met. Anything close to the Sept T/A I will vote a solid NO. The cmpany WANTS these things from us, and expects us to "give" it to them without a fight. Not going to happen anymore.

 

[pjirish317]

The company knows, along with the union, how much the hourly wage would be should the CIC be triggered. I think around $21.43 or close to it. So for the company to get it out of any future T/A, I personaly will not accpet anything less than $21. For the 2 or 3 year extension and and profit sharing, everything I previously stated in a earlier post. I think now we have the upper hand, given we have what the company WANTS desperately. This is obvious since all offers from the company had all of these things in them. If an agreement can't be reached now, re-open section 6 for the West. I would petition for it anyway, just to put pressure on the company and the company's union, the I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT.

 

[JoeDirt]

I agree with PJ. After seeing what was offered to the other group my price for a yes vote just went up. There is one more addition. A minimum 3% annual increase across the scale. Anything less equates to a pay cut every year because of inflation.

 

[cltrat]

I agree with PJ. After seeing what was offered to the other group my price for a yes vote just went up. There is one more addition. A minimum 3% annual increase across the scale. Anything less equates to a pay cut every year because of inflation.

Joe how dare you ask for that?? are you not aware that we have not had a cba since 1949?? whatever that means ..lol

I always thought having a cba with a union if you had it for 5 or for 50 years was no different I guess not

 

[pjirish317]

Joe how dare you ask for that?? are you not aware that we have not had a cba since 1949?? whatever that means ..lol

I always thought having a cba with a union if you had it for 5 or for 50 years was no different I guess not

Correction on that cltrat, how dare all of fleet. Since we do not have licence's, or a certificate, or have been unionized since 1949. We have been under the I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT'S thumb for far too long now. And now that we want a change in the leadership of said union, "How Dare We". All we are asking for is what Fleet Service think is fair. I know everybody's idea of fair is different, that is what each one of us will have to decide. Bottom line, the company wants these things from us, and expects canoli to "give" these to them at no cost. Boy do they have to wrong information now. Now we are starting to question our union leaaders and all we get is "How Dare We". How dare you, I say. Negotiate for what we want not what the company wants. WAKE UP IAM!