IAM Fleet Service topic

[cltrat]

28, west transfers here in CLT are treated just fine by coworkers like anyone else. and yes some have bumped me down on the list. The difference is I am not on an internet message board whining about it like a certain one. Maybe there is something in the water causing it out there?

 

[28L_or_10R?]

28, west transfers here in CLT are treated just fine by coworkers like anyone else. and yes some have bumped me down on the list. The difference is I am not on an internet message board whining about it like a certain one. Maybe there is something in the water causing it out there?

Just observe the crocodile tears shed for LAS agents by folks in PHX. They are treated like dirt in PHX from all that I've heard. When they shut down the America West hub at CMH, the agents that transferred in were given no sympathy, either. Every effort was made to get them fired. Crocodile tears.

 

[Jester]

Yes, he spun that around, didn't he? It was in the transition agreement that was voted in and detailed how furloughs and transfers would be handled.

28L,

You appear to be avoiding the issue like a bag with a torn zipper, do you think the East dominated IAM would have considered anything else but DOH? Do you really think the IAM leadership would have remotely considered relative position or fences? Of course, not... the East had the high seniority and the sheer numbers and they were not going to consider anything did not maximize their muscle, and I have little doubt it would have been a staple job if not for McCaskill-Bond, especially as there were two different unions!

Strange how you blame the West in voting for the contract as if seniority intergration was something for which the IAM would have acquiesced if vote was rejected. I recall one high seniority East guy telling me regarding DOH, "It's the only fair way," for which I reminded him that he was about two weeks from being a greeter at Wal-Mart. There were other "fair" ways to consider, but as West was excluded from the IAM's contract negotiations "fairness" was not really considered to be a high priority from the IAM leadership.

So Reminds Jester.

 

[famousfreddie]

28L,

Point of correction, the seniority list was determined by the East dominated IAM union, not management, this includes any protection for stations by way of transfers or fences. If management determined the employee seniority lists, then the pilots would have been singing "We Are Family" a few years ago... okay, maybe not that song but rather "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" but this message board would be abbreviated.

So Retorts Jester.

 

[famousfreddie]

Ask the TWA guys that got fenced in STL and MCI,while their jobs were contracted out in line stations good goin TWU. How was that fair, joker? Your skewed logic never ceases to amuse me. Thank the membership your not in office to make critical decisions on our behalf.

 

[john john]

Point of correction, the seniority list was determined by the East dominated IAM union, not management, this includes any protection for stations by way of transfers or fences. If management determined the employee seniority lists, then the pilots would have been singing "We Are Family" a few years ago... okay, maybe not that song but rather "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" but this message board would be abbreviated.

So Retorts Jester.

Typical

 

[charlie Brown]

28L,

You appear to be avoiding the issue like a bag with a torn zipper, do you think the East dominated IAM would have considered anything else but DOH? Do you really think the IAM leadership would have remotely considered relative position or fences? Of course, not... the East had the high seniority and the sheer numbers and they were not going to consider anything did not maximize their muscle, and I have little doubt it would have been a staple job if not for McCaskill-Bond, especially as there were two different unions!

Strange how you blame the West in voting for the contract as if seniority intergration was something for which the IAM would have acquiesced if vote was rejected. I recall one high seniority East guy telling me regarding DOH, "It's the only fair way," for which I reminded him that he was about two weeks from being a greeter at Wal-Mart. There were other "fair" ways to consider, but as West was excluded from the IAM's contract negotiations "fairness" was not really considered to be a high priority from the IAM leadership.

So Reminds Jester.

Jester

Maybe I am not understanding your post. Are you saying that our seniority is Doh? And that the east is the reason?
Surely you know that we are not DOH. I can assure you, that a lot of east employees would love to have DOH, because it would benefit them. But we on the east feel that we go by classification seniority because many on the west have the same class date as their DOH. And it benefited the west. Many on the east have two, some three different dates, it would benefit them a great deal to get on DOH date. Well I should say benefit most of them.

 

[roabilly]

28L,

You appear to be avoiding the issue like a bag with a torn zipper, do you think the East dominated IAM would have considered anything else but DOH? Do you really think the IAM leadership would have remotely considered relative position or fences? Of course, not... the East had the high seniority and the sheer numbers and they were not going to consider anything did not maximize their muscle, and I have little doubt it would have been a staple job if not for McCaskill-Bond, especially as there were two different unions!

Strange how you blame the West in voting for the contract as if seniority intergration was something for which the IAM would have acquiesced if vote was rejected. I recall one high seniority East guy telling me regarding DOH, "It's the only fair way," for which I reminded him that he was about two weeks from being a greeter at Wal-Mart. There were other "fair" ways to consider, but as West was excluded from the IAM's contract negotiations "fairness" was not really considered to be a high priority from the IAM leadership.

So Reminds Jester.

Mr. Jester…

I am absolutely appalled at your complete disregard for the present state of unification that Fleet Service has demonstrated repeatedly in this forum.

As we near contract negotiations…I hope that you will realize that your lame attempts to divide the group in terms of East vs. West are completely without merit.

All indications from CLT… reflect solidarity!

So assumes point…

BroBilly

GITCHA SUM!!

 

[famousfreddie]

Mr. Jester…

I am absolutely appalled at your complete disregard for the present state of unification that Fleet Service has demonstrated repeatedly in this forum.

As we near contract negotiations…I hope that you will realize that your lame attempts to divide the group in terms of East vs. West are completely without merit.

All indications from CLT… reflect solidarity!

So assumes point…

BroBilly

GITCHA SUM!!

 

[famousfreddie]

It is a finally a pleasure to come to work and have solidarity. Thank you for stepping up to the plate and making it happen. It has been a long road and I am thankful the ND and supporters made it possible.

 

[The Janitor]

Merry Christmas

 

[roadtrip]

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[john john]

http://www.iam141.org/us/index.html
ICH'S UPDATE
Pension Update: What Do the Changes Mean?

Rich Delaney, 21DEC10 — District 141 was informed on December 17, 2010 of planned changes to our Defined Benefit Retirement Plan by the Trustees of the IAM National Pension Fund. Although these future adjustments were determined by Trustee action at their meeting in October, we received the notice of change at the same time our members did. Due to the timing of the notice, it was not possible for us to communicate with you prior to your receiving your copy of the information.

IAM sent me a Christmas gift of a 40% reduced pension, starting in 2014. A defined benefit that is built on shifting sand.
This is TERRIBLE!

Throw in a good dues increase next week,

IAM pension fund has changed its pay out?

Fleet Service at US have a pension, can you say the same about CS?

Lets see Profit Sharing, not guaranteed, 401K takes a beating in the downturn of the economy and they ramp had the IAMNPF before 2005.

Did they change USAirways IAM mechanics and related too??? are they special like UA?



Trustees have determined to reduce the accrual rate of future benefits instead of cutting existing benefits.
USAirways membership will be affected by future reduced accrual rates for their monthly pension benefits but our United membership will not. The reason for the difference between the two groups is that the United employees entered the Plan in 2006 and were subject to a special accrual rate designed specifically for them due to the size of the covered group and the concern of the Plan of the financial stability of the airline at the time. Our USAirways members joined the Plan before October 1, 2003 and have been accruing pension benefits under the schedule established at that time.

https://www.iamnpf.org/npf/forms/ParticipantsNotice.pdf
https://www.iamnpf.org/npf/forms/ParticipantsNotice.pdf
The Plan Amendment eliminates what we now call Schedule A for future service benefit
accruals. It will be replaced by what we now call Schedule B. Schedule B was first introduced
to cover new groups joining the Plan on or after April 1, 2003. The date that Schedule B will go
into effect for those currently covered by Schedule A varies by employer, as explained below.

For a limited number of
groups, however, benefits are based on a custom benefit schedule

 

[john john]

a sweetheart contract is generally considered a contract where the union refuses to allow its membership to vote, such as the case with the 'front union'. The IAM membership voted on their contract so it was not a sweetheart. The IAM has a secure defined pension with a payout of $80 month x number of years. The 'front union' and every other union on the property chose not to secure a defined benefit pension.

Merry Christmas

Did they have a vote on your pension change?

 

[freedom]

Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!!!!

Oh noes ! Iz pension plan not sound ? Cheezburger ? Noes ?

How many times did I ask about the pension plan and if it was sound ? And each time someone would give me the standard pension propaganda.

Once I even tried to do some checking on the pension page and the stablity of the fund was displayed in a nice color coded chart showing green . Oddly Enough I couldn't find any information as to what are funds were invested in ( stocks , bonds , real estate , property on the moon )

I'm telling all of you that if you don't rip open their books and find out where our money is invested in your going to rue the day.