IAM Fleet Service topic

[Ramp Rogue]

One hour here in LAS to "eliminate" overlap. I think two hours is better, but whatever it is it MUST BE CONSISTENT station to station!!!

Before hp came on the scene it had to be a 2 hour gap between p/t shifts. Now it seems as if there doesn't have to be a gap. That is why I was asking.

Rogue.....

 

[john john]

Is there a link to the IAM fleet contract?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

http://www.iam141.org/docs/IAM-FS_2008_Contract_Final_to_Print_102808.pdf

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Is there a link to the IAM fleet contract?

The page concerning my question about p/t shifts is on page 104.

Rogue.....

 

[john john]

This is to any or everyone that has the answer as far as their station goes. When there is a shift bid concerning the parttime agents, does your station allow back to back parttime shifts? Meaning if you have p/t's working 0800 - 1200 on the ramp, could you have the next p/t shift starting at 1200, 1230, or 1300? Before hp started running the circus we would always have a 2 hour gap between p/t shifts so that the 2 shifts couldn't be considered a fulltime shift. Help is needed on this one folks, in my station there are only 1/2 hour and 1 hour gaps between the p/t shifts. P/t's are being cheated out of fulltime status because of this.

Rogue.....

back-to-back
The ½ to 1-hour gap is the question
Does the company need the help on a constant basis in the gab?






The Company will not regularly schedule part-time employees
11 within the same duty assignment back-to-back where the work
12 requirement can be covered by a single full time employee.

 

[Jester]

The Company will not regularly schedule part-time employees
11 within the same duty assignment back-to-back where the work
12 requirement can be covered by a single full time employee.

Another example of a poorly written component to our CBA.

Who decides if shifts "can be covered by a single full time employee"? Most would probably think a two hour gap would be reasonable, but might one argue the shift could be covered by a single full time employee with a 10-hour shift versus an 8-hour shift? Might management decide to have 15 minutes of overlap of part-time shifts and then claim there to be some (imaginary) need where those extra employees are required for that short time?

Personally, I think a reasonable standard would be allow an overlap to approximate the average bank time maybe an hour (thus were doubling up staffing for a short time would make sense) and a minimum 2.5 hour gap thus removing the possibility of a 10-hour shift (plus the 1/2 hour lunch) being covered by a single full time employee.

Of course, the part-time employees love these back-to-back shifts gives as little down time as possible, so that's the trade-off in terms of employees' desires.

So Summates Jester.

 

[robbedagain]

in my station our pt is listed like this 515a to 945a; 1300-1730; and then we have 1900 to 0030 and 2000 to 1230

 

[roabilly]

Another example of a poorly written component to our CBA.

Who decides if shifts "can be covered by a single full time employee"? Most would probably think a two hour gap would be reasonable, but might one argue the shift could be covered by a single full time employee with a 10-hour shift versus an 8-hour shift? Might management decide to have 15 minutes of overlap of part-time shifts and then claim there to be some (imaginary) need where those extra employees are required for that short time?

Personally, I think a reasonable standard would be allow an overlap to approximate the average bank time maybe an hour (thus were doubling up staffing for a short time would make sense) and a minimum 2.5 hour gap thus removing the possibility of a 10-hour shift (plus the 1/2 hour lunch) being covered by a single full time employee.

Of course, the part-time employees love these back-to-back shifts gives as little down time as possible, so that's the trade-off in terms of employees' desires.

So Summates Jester.

Dear Mr. Desert Gnome...

Your observations ring true... we run into the “who decides” ambiguous language everyday that comprises the current CBA. Every Single Fleet Service Agent should take note of these contractual fallacies negotiated by your boy Canale, and thus consider them for revision in the next round of negotiations.

A CBA that translates into an enigma wrapped inside of a mystery... is not going to restrict the Company from using you as brainless puppet!

So lines up the plastic soldiers for the miniature dirt war...

BroBilly

 

[charlie Brown]

This is to any or everyone that has the answer as far as their station goes. When there is a shift bid concerning the parttime agents, does your station allow back to back parttime shifts? Meaning if you have p/t's working 0800 - 1200 on the ramp, could you have the next p/t shift starting at 1200, 1230, or 1300? Before hp started running the circus we would always have a 2 hour gap between p/t shifts so that the 2 shifts couldn't be considered a fulltime shift. Help is needed on this one folks, in my station there are only 1/2 hour and 1 hour gaps between the p/t shifts. P/t's are being cheated out of fulltime status because of this.

Rogue.....

Here is my suggestion, if your pt shifts added together with your gap included, does not exceed 8.5 hrs ( or 10 hrs for some west stations ) then you should file a grievance based on art 26 lines 10 - 12. Page 104. If it does exceed the regular full time shift hours, then you have no grievance.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

To those at stations where aircraft cleaning is still being performed by fleet service: How is your station rating on cleaning audits? It seems that it is absolutely impossible to pass this audit, regardless of how well the work is performed and followed to the checklist.

Could this be a plot by management to outsource cleaning at these stations or are the auditors just jerks?

 

[bagchucker]

To those at stations where aircraft cleaning is still being performed by fleet service: How is your station rating on cleaning audits? It seems that it is absolutely impossible to pass this audit, regardless of how well the work is performed and followed to the checklist.

Could this be a plot by management to outsource cleaning at these stations or are the auditors just jerks?

They grill us every time they pass through, even though we are basically compliant with these "new" standards of cleaning. I also think there is something bigger to this picture that is not being told..... 😛h34r:

 

[28L_or_10R?]

They grill us every time they pass through, even though we are basically compliant with these "new" standards of cleaning. I also think there is something bigger to this picture that is not being told..... 😛h34r:

One station had an auditor get down on his belly with a flashlight and he noticed an M&M between the carpet and the base of the seat. He said that you have to do that when vacuuming or you miss things like that. That station has not received any additional staffing to meet these new standards as well as the cleaning required on turns. In fact, those who are unfortunate enough to be on that cleaning shift are quitting and transferring. There are now less people on that shift than when the new standards began.

Regardless of how hard they try they fail these auditor inspections. Are vendors being held to these same standards?

I am sure that they are using these audits to say that fleet service agents are incapable of cleaning planes - then they will outsource that function.

 

[roabilly]

One station had an auditor get down on his belly with a flashlight and he noticed an M&M between the carpet and the base of the seat. He said that you have to do that when vacuuming or you miss things like that. That station has not received any additional staffing to meet these new standards as well as the cleaning required on turns. In fact, those who are unfortunate enough to be on that cleaning shift are quitting and transferring. There are now less people on that shift than when the new standards began.

Regardless of how hard they try they fail these auditor inspections. Are vendors being held to these same standards?

I am sure that they are using these audits to say that fleet service agents are incapable of cleaning planes - then they will outsource that function.

I have to agree 28L...

It appears the Company is already setting the stage for negotiations next year. You can see this with the audits you have described above, along with the recent developments regarding deicing subcontractors.

Prepare for “slight of hand” tactics from the Company that will allow them cost savings through job losses, while at the same time appearing to be offering significant gains for the remaining Fleet Personnel.

I can’t emphasize job protection and scope enough... just ask anyone from CMH. Ultimately, it will be the decision of the majority aggregate as to what direction we will end up going.

Get involved in your station, go to meetings, stay informed, and prepare to submit your contract proposals for our negotiators!

So sets the cage...

BroBilly

 

[robbedagain]

I totally agree gotta have scope and language STOP the OUTSOURCING!!! When CMH went down recently, and with LAS also down who's next????

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I totally agree gotta have scope and language STOP the OUTSOURCING!!! When CMH went down recently, and with LAS also down who's next????

LAS wasn't outsourced.