IAM Fleet Service topic

[blownkneesbob]

Dear Blown,

I spoke with CPH this morning and no phone numbers were given to those people furloughed from LAS. Not to say the contact numbers were withheld, but it was not as if they were given as part of an information package or even to list to those affected.

Now are you suggesting some sort of confidentially would be breached with the initials of the lowest seniority and their DOH in a public forum, as if akin to releasing Social Security numbers and mother's maiden name? The seniority list is readily available to the hundreds of people working on the ramp or management, including the names and the DOH, so I would hardly consider this to be some highly confidential list. Furthermore, as you are all worried about this public forum, maybe a PM then?

So let's see your worse case scenario of a privacy violation... the GC announces to the world that "X.X." with a DOH of 01/01/2001 has the lowest seniority in LAS? SOMEONE ALERT THE MEDIA!

Are you done making excuses for this union's incompetency and indifference?

So Tasks Jester.

boy oh boy you have issues pal.. my point was not everybody sits and reads messages boards all day. If your friend wants to know the lowest person . then tell him to get off his lazy arse and call one of his co-workers, Hell you got connections make some phone calls.. Not making any excuses for anyone. You my friend are the one that seems incompetent. your blurb about the union not doing their job because they haven't read a message board is again pure IGNORANT
. I didn't realize it was the unions fault usairways pulled down LAS . last time I looked the company decides how many flights they will operate in and out of a particular city not the union. But I guess since all is quiet you feel the need to stir things up.

 

[SpinDoc]

Here is a Charlotte issue.(Tempe are you reading ?) Charlotte managers are telling employees that they are NOT going to take care of Workbrain issues when it screws up & we all know that happens way to many times. They are mainly speaking of clock in times which is my understanding. This issues needs to be addressed. If not I bet the Dept. of Labor would take care of it.

Harry:

The reasoning behind this policy is to place the onus on the individual employee for making sure their clock times are correct.
You can always check your clock time in the employee WB screen, but there is a lag time of about 15 minutes from clock in to the time being visible to the employee. You're better off using the function built in to the time clock to verify the last clock in/out, that way you can be sure there is no error. For clock in/out discrepancies that are recognized after they occur, your manager can give you a form to fill out and take to admin and they can check the system for errors and determine if the discrepancy is valid.

 

[Jester]

boy oh boy you have issues pal..

My "issues" are the continuing problem with the lack of actions of the IAM because it is East dominated and their "Idontgiveadamn" mentality towards West "brothers".

my point was not everybody sits and reads messages boards all day.

The question was asked two weeks ago, so I hardly think that requires someone to read message boards all day. Furthermore, clearly there are people who read this message board on a regular basis, and someone even offered assistance which failed to materialize.

If your friend wants to know the lowest person . then tell him to get off his lazy arse and call one of his co-workers

He would, but he was furloughed along the hundreds of others nearly a year ago.

Hell you got connections make some phone calls..

See the aforementioned answer.

Not making any excuses for anyone.

Yes, you are making excuses for others.

You my friend are the one that seems incompetent. your blurb about the union not doing their job because they haven't read a message board is again pure IGNORANT.

So enlight the board as to a better option... Ask Mr. Roabiliy maybe? And not to just pick on him as there were others, he did not respond either even with his many IAM connections. Maybe the IAM website? Oh yeah, they are back in the internet Stone Age themselves. Call someone in the Company? You trust the call to be returned, assuming you even knew which department to call and it was current information? Okay, Mr. Shell Answer Man... let's hear it!

I didn't realize it was the unions fault usairways pulled down LAS . last time I looked the company decides how many flights they will operate in and out of a particular city not the union.

Fairly weak attempt at a Straw Man argument as I never suggested otherwise, but yet another attempt to divert attention away from the real problem of the IAM and indifferent treatment toward West.

But I guess since all is quiet you feel the need to stir things up.

You would miss me otherwise.


So Eviscerates Jester.

 

[roabilly]

Desert Gnome…

You appear to be somewhat agitated… relax… all is well!

I don’t really want revisit the issues regarding the ratification of the last agreement, and the many warnings that came with it. Now that this contract is being exploited and executed… it has mysteriously and coincidentally surfaced as your current subject of scrutiny!

Attempting to “fan the flames” of a divide between East and West is the only instrument that remains in your rusty ant-labor toolbox! Bob and others who read these forums realize what your agenda actually is… and it ain’t to bolster solidarity! (Wink…Wink)

So introduces the WD-40…

BroBilly

P.S. My IAM connections only run as deep as your Fleet Service connections!

 

[necigrad]

I was hoping for some news here. Moving isnt a option and not sure possible as I have stuff in life happening in Vegas. So i need to look elsewhere and maybe callback later to ramp.
thanks negicrad for looking and maybe here something soon?

CHP

Sorry I took so long. Unlike Jester I find accuracy more important then alacrity in this situation. I can't remember if you said you were full or part time, so I got both. The most junior PT recall, who was recalled 2-3 months ago, has a hire date of 6/1/01. The most recent FT recall, coming back I think this week, is 8/2/99. I didn't realise how little progress had been made. From what I'm hearing, there are several people considering in leaving in the 2-3 year time frame, but that's always hit and miss. There has also been one or two transfers FROM LAS that are not being filled at this time. Hope that helps.

 

[ChockJockey]

My "issues" are the continuing problem with the lack of actions of the IAM because it is East dominated and their "Idontgiveadamn" mentality towards West "brothers".

Old paradigm is old. If Mr. Pastry's apparent poor luck at scaring up phone numbers is all it takes for you reintroduce the tired old tirade we can only assume you're scraping the bottom of the barrel in this regard. Who are you trying to convince? Everyone else has moved on. It's old shtick; you might want to take some time off and work on some new material.

Looking forward there are bigger fish to fry, and these petty, malicious diversions benefit no one.

 

[Cream Horn Pastry]

Sorry I took so long. Unlike Jester I find accuracy more important then alacrity in this situation. I can't remember if you said you were full or part time, so I got both. The most junior PT recall, who was recalled 2-3 months ago, has a hire date of 6/1/01. The most recent FT recall, coming back I think this week, is 8/2/99. I didn't realise how little progress had been made. From what I'm hearing, there are several people considering in leaving in the 2-3 year time frame, but that's always hit and miss. There has also been one or two transfers FROM LAS that are not being filled at this time. Hope that helps.

Thanks for your acurrate info. i'm back more than i knew so it could be years if ever. sorry jester is impatient but he means well. Barely seems the list has move as I thoguh more people would transfer by now. I remember people saying the want to go asap after furloughs happen. Your info does help.

CHP

 

[necigrad]

There are a few more people talking about transfers, but they're waiting for the spots to open up. I think your 2-3 year assessment is right, but it will be based on retirement attrition, not transfers. I know there's at least on FT on long term disability (and I don't expect them back) that was filled by the current junior FT person, and at least one transfer out that will remain unfilled for now.

 

[Harry Callahan]

On another topic. When is our union going to put out something on the "naked strip search"machines like the other unions have ?

 

[Jester]

Well, word around the PHX "rampfire" is that some "Boys will be Boys" called-out one mouthy gal on the way to the employee parking lot while she taunted her co-workers on the shuttle bus. So after she was given the scuttle from the shuttle being stuffed into the community trash container by of couple of rampers, she filed a complaint outside of being bruised mostly of her ego.

The Glutted, The Bad, and The Ugly were all suspended after the "victim" filed a complaint -- specifically, all parties suspended pending an investigation from the alleged victim to the "Boys" to the rest doing their best of impression of Kitty Genovese's neighbors. One high seniority East guy was amongst the faces in the crowd, so the IAM will mount a vigorous response to one of their own -- lucky for the West guys who were all part of the frivolities. Next time? Don't video record the event on a cell phone and post it to your Facebook account... just a suggestion.

As I make an awkward segway into the Delta/NWA election for their fleet service representation, which rejected the IAM, do you think the Delta ramp agents figured that the NWA dominated IAM union would sell them down the river, as was America West?

So Hypothesizes Jester.

 

[The Janitor]

Well, word around the PHX "rampfire" is that some "Boys will be Boys" called-out one mouthy gal on the way to the employee parking lot while she taunted her co-workers on the shuttle bus. So after she was given the scuttle from the shuttle being stuffed into the community trash container by of couple of rampers, she filed a complaint outside of being bruised mostly of her ego.

The Glutted, The Bad, and The Ugly were all suspended after the "victim" filed a complaint -- specifically, all parties suspended pending an investigation from the alleged victim to the "Boys" to the rest doing their best of impression of Kitty Genovese's neighbors. One high seniority East guy was amongst the faces in the crowd, so the IAM will mount a vigorous response to one of their own -- lucky for the West guys who were all part of the frivolities. Next time? Don't video record the event on a cell phone and post it to your Facebook account... just a suggestion.

As I make an awkward segway into the Delta/NWA election for their fleet service representation, which rejected the IAM, do you think the Delta ramp agents figured that the NWA dominated IAM union would sell them down the river, as was America West?

So Hypothesizes Jester.

Does the IAM do anything vigorous? At Delta, the IAM only received 4,900 votes [37% of eligible] although they had 5,300 NWA members among the 13,000 voters. Roach doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't listen to the right people because all of his puppets give him what he wants to hear because he will scold them if they don't, so he's destined to continue repeating failure after failure. Next up, United, then dare I say US AIRWAYS?

 

[Jester]

Does the IAM do anything vigorous? At Delta, the IAM only received 4,900 votes [37% of eligible] although they had 5,300 NWA members among the 13,000 voters. Roach doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't listen to the right people because all of his puppets give him what he wants to hear because he will scold them if they don't, so he's destined to continue repeating failure after failure. Next up, United, then dare I say US AIRWAYS?

Jan,

It was a fairly good turn-out of 81% of the eligible voters. Let's assume for the sake of argument the NWA ramp agents already represented by the IAM were passionate about their union, while the Delta people had some uncertainty so they are less likely to vote, we can conclude two things -- 1) Since there were 4,909 votes in favor of the IAM (5,569 against), the 5,300 NWA rampers did not vote in huge support of their union (assuming they took the time to vote), and 2) the IAM failed to convince many of the Delta ramp agents to sign-on the IAM. Who knows maybe something particularly damning that the NWA rampers voted against their own union in large numbers while the Delta rampers voted in the majority of the IAM, but not enough to swing the vote. Either way, this was a complete repudiation of the IAM leadership when the majority of the ramp agents would prefer to take their chances with capricious Management or deal with IAM and its malfeasance.

Personally, I would have voted in favor of the IAM, because I have seen first hand how arbitary managers can be and with little in the way an appeal process than without an union. My complaints about the IAM have been directly at their biased actions towards West, their cronyism, their general incompentency, and their unwillingness to have professional representation instead of a network of good ole boys in the E.C. Maybe the Delta ramp agents saw the same thing?

So Assesses Jester.

 

[The Janitor]

Jan,

It was a fairly good turn-out of 81% of the eligible voters. Let's assume for the sake of argument the NWA ramp agents already represented by the IAM were passionate about their union, while the Delta people had some uncertainty so they are less likely to vote, we can conclude two things -- 1) Since there were 4,909 votes in favor of the IAM (5,569 against), the 5,300 NWA rampers did not vote in huge support of their union (assuming they took the time to vote), and 2) the IAM failed to convince many of the Delta ramp agents to sign-on the IAM. Who knows maybe something particularly damning that the NWA rampers voted against their own union in large numbers while the Delta rampers voted in the majority of the IAM, but not enough to swing the vote. Either way, this was a complete repudiation of the IAM leadership when the majority of the ramp agents would prefer to take their chances with capricious Management or deal with IAM and its malfeasance.

Personally, I would have voted in favor of the IAM, because I have seen first hand how arbitary managers can be and with little in the way an appeal process than without an union. My complaints about the IAM have been directly at their biased actions towards West, their cronyism, their general incompentency, and their unwillingness to have professional representation instead of a network of good ole boys in the E.C. Maybe the Delta ramp agents saw the same thing?

So Assesses Jester.

The IAM protected the bankrupt companies so that they could leave bankruptcy. Unfortunately, they didn't protect their members. IAM members are still in bankruptcy 5 years later with bankruptcy contracts. Not even profit sharing even though all other unions took care of that for their members. They still could have won the DL election but the fact remains the guy in charge hasn't the slightest clue on how to treat anyone other than trying to make them his b*tch. Therefore, as they just keep on repeating the same loser organizing techniques, future results are very predictable. Here's an illustrative link

 

[Kev3188]

Not to be pedantic, but the numbers of eligible voters were:

PMDL: 9366
PMNW: 4717

...And yeah, Roach sucks.

81% turnout for something so important sucks even worse.

 

[john john]

Next up, United,

Split the baby
What happens when a union airline merges and the unions decide to have a vote…. ?
An alliance between IBT and IAM might be the answer
http://calfleetserviceteamsters.com/sites/calfleetserviceteamsters.com/files/CAL-UAL_ComparisonChart_11.12.10.pdf

then dare I say US AIRWAYS?

You might want to check TWU Southwest ramp has TWU and they have a good contract
http://www.twu555.org/uploads/2008-2011%20CBA.pdf