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ATTENTION FLEET SERVICE

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY FOR THE UPCOMING CONTRACT TALKS

GO TO http://iam141.org and following the links to the USAirways section


Please pass the word to all members you know

Thank you
 
Charlie, I think you should take some of your own advise! You should know what kind of information that you are spreading on these boards! In PHL no agent started on any level, let alone level 3 thats just ridiculous. The CC at the time GS had management call in every agent that was even considered to be on or close to being put on any level and inform them that the policy was going to be strictly enforced and to be aware of this upon further abuse of their lateness or sick time. This was called an intial discussion and it worked its way up from there! The same CC had good stewards that were abreast of these policies and procedures in place to represent their fellow agents when needed with a very high success rate.

The new CC, as I stated before ran his campaign on deception and false statements and it seems like it is taking a toll here with 15-20 terminations since his inception into office on 1-4-11. This is come to the fore-front here in PHL due to the new CC changing these stewards and appointing agents not stewards with less experience and knowledge at no fault of their own. In Int. alone, he appointed an agent that has not worked the ramp in 15 yrs (Catering Agent) and has never worked at Int. at all. I know this because that is my work area!

Now Charlie, if you consider this stirring the pot, well then don't respond but I am tired of being mis-represented by people that are misleading the younger generation and only have their own personal interests in mind. In CLT I believe there are way more senior agents then here in PHL so please take that in mind. These forums are for ALL topics not just the ones you plagiarize from a book!
Hey Joey,

Can you please show me from my post where I was talking about anyone from Phl. I have no Idea what you are talking about. I was responding to what they said about clt. Back to back Pt shift,and losing ft lines. I dont know how you get that I was talking about PHl out of that. You have every right to not be happy with your leadership in phl. If thats the case, then have people step up and change things. But sorry if I didnt make it clear. I was addressing the comments about clt. I dont like people spreading false statements, just to stir the pot, and those statements made about clt were completely false.
 
joey,

I think that charlie brown was specificly talking about CLT. How was that stirring the pot? If you think you can help the membership in PHL, (if you currently are not) step up to help out, otherwise you are part of the problem also, just another employee whining and complaining, but not willing to do anything about it. And the plagiarism you speak of, he was qouting our CBA. I think for it to actually be plagiarism, he would have had to call it his own, he did not.

BJ,

Please read the posts before you comment! Charlie accused me of stirring the pot for stating facts about here in PHL. That is what forums are about correct? I was just stating that his statement of the attendence policy was not true in all stations and if management was starting CLT employees at level 3 then they are not being represented correctly or just call it as it is....bullsh**t.

As for me being a whiner and complainer? BJ, your glib....LOL, but I love how you jumped right in to stand up for Charlie. Maybe you and Charlie could come up to PHL and help our new CC make his committee report at the monthly meeting! It seems to be just a bit short, sort of like your typing skills! Maybe show him how to "QOUT" our CBA, your right Charlie didn't call it his own, but our CC does not know it at all and that is more of a problem then any whiner and complainer could ever be!
 
BJ,

Please read the posts before you comment! Charlie accused me of stirring the pot for stating facts about here in PHL. That is what forums are about correct? I was just stating that his statement of the attendence policy was not true in all stations and if management was starting CLT employees at level 3 then they are not being represented correctly or just call it as it is....bullsh**t.

As for me being a whiner and complainer? BJ, your glib....LOL, but I love how you jumped right in to stand up for Charlie. Maybe you and Charlie could come up to PHL and help our new CC make his committee report at the monthly meeting! It seems to be just a bit short, sort of like your typing skills! Maybe show him how to "QOUT" our CBA, your right Charlie didn't call it his own, but our CC does not know it at all and that is more of a problem then any whiner and complainer could ever be!
Joey,
One more time, wtf are you talking about. I never accused you of anything. I was responding to "unionworks" comments about clt. Unless you two are one in the same? And I never said that you dont have a right to be on here. I asked in my comments why "unionworks" was stating false statements about clt. Maybe you should go back and read the post.
 
BJ,

Please read the posts before you comment! Charlie accused me of stirring the pot for stating facts about here in PHL. That is what forums are about correct? I was just stating that his statement of the attendence policy was not true in all stations and if management was starting CLT employees at level 3 then they are not being represented correctly or just call it as it is....bullsh**t.

As for me being a whiner and complainer? BJ, your glib....LOL, but I love how you jumped right in to stand up for Charlie. Maybe you and Charlie could come up to PHL and help our new CC make his committee report at the monthly meeting! It seems to be just a bit short, sort of like your typing skills! Maybe show him how to "QOUT" our CBA, your right Charlie didn't call it his own, but our CC does not know it at all and that is more of a problem then any whiner and complainer could ever be!

Obviously you can't read either, or was that intential to misspell my handle? Either way, Mr. Brown was not talking about PHL. You must have missed that part huh? Glad you can spell also, but you understood what I meant right? I don't have to stand up for charlie, he is capable of that himself, just correcting stupidity on your part for not comprehending his post was about CLT not PHL, and to correct your plagiarism accusation. So, are you involved or are you part of the problem in PHL? Now that I think about it, this is not the time to start the infighting, unless you are a management stooge on here posing as a member of Fleet Service, just to divide us. It appears that name calling suits you though, but that's obviously all you know how to do since you did not make an intelligent argument. Have a great day.
 
So while I usually get on here to giive out correct information when I have it, and I dont respond to people that are just stirring the pot, I do have to respond to you. Where do you get your information from for clt? And why do you post completey untrue statements like they are fact? The facts are that clt has lost no ft positions, in fact the grievance committee just told us the other day that several ft agents are coming in this week. Many of those are pit guys. This board should be used to debate and educate the membership, not to spread lies that are completely not true. If you really want to educate the membership then check your info. Anyone from clt can tell you that we have lost no ft positions. So what gives?
so the facts are that CLT is adding FULL time Shift? SO the FACTS are their is NO back to Back PT Shift?
 
so the facts are that CLT is adding FULL time Shift? SO the FACTS are their is NO back to Back PT Shift?
Again, some of you guys need to check the post. I get my information from the grievance committee. They say we just had 16 ft transfer in from different stations, mostly from pit. That dosent sound like eliminating ft positions like you stated. As far as pt back to back. We dont have any pt back to back that could be covered by a ft shift. Which is what the contract states. But I told you where I get my info from. How about answering my question and telling me where you get your info about clt from ?????? Because you can PM me if you want, Ill be glad to give you a number that you can call to verify that we havent lost any FT positions like you stated. But I will be willing to say that you wont tell where you get your info from. So Im not suprised that you dont answer my question. But if you get the number from me, you can get correct information about clt so you can post correct info, but again, I dont think thats your goal.
 
hey unionworks . I too work in clt and and vouch for what charlie has stated. we have not repeat HAVE NOT lost any FT positions in CLT
and YES we just got some more PIT brothers in clt . I am starting to see alot more perogies in breakrooms
 
So, are you involved or are you part of the problem in PHL? Now that I think about it, this is not the time to start the infighting, unless you are a management stooge on here posing as a member of Fleet Service, just to divide us.

BINGO!
 
Mr. Callahan,

Thank-you for those kind words of support. Unfortunately, I do not believe the membership would be all that accepting of me in an official capacity, and I see my first meeting with the IAM hierarchy becoming something like the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbzQxTfHtgY
(just mute the volume and add your own words to the discussion).

Besides if I came forward, My Dear Mister Roabilly would owe me a huge plate of Carolina BBQ along with all the fixings, and times are tough enough already for him to lavishly pay on a losing wager.

So Abjures Jester.

Mr. Jester...

Is a college education worth a plate of BBQ?
 
Mr. Jester...

Is a college education worth a plate of BBQ?

My Dear Mister Roabilly,

No, a plate of BBQ wouldn't cover the costs of one my textbooks, even 20 years ago. Rather my point was that my reveal would demonstrate that I am FSA like you, contrary your perceptions to me being one of the "business casual" types chugging diet Dr. Pepper in my cubicle attempting to assimulate myself with the Tempe Boys.... if you recall, the BBQ was your offer in exchange for my book number or something like that.

However, this does beg the question... Do you really believe that upper management surfs this website spreading disinformation, as some corporate interloper, in order to sow seeds of dissension amongst the ranks, as if it would change anyone's opinion, not to mention, the questionable public relations problems it could cause?

Imagine if I was SK or DP, and I decided to interfer in the union's discussions with the objective as to impact the up-coming contract negotiations? I think that would fall into some highly unethical and perhaps illegal business activity, and probably not worth the risks, especially as the benefits are very suspect.

So Analyzes Jester.
 
700UW,

Well, after the problems with this CBA, something needs to change because what was being done in the past has not been working. The attendance policy alone should have raised immediate concerns, so someone was not doing their job. The group has been either incompetent or uneducated... you choose, and I'll give the benefit of a doubt as being uneducated.

I do not know the curriculum vitaes of management's team, but I would be stunned if any of them lacked a bachelors degree or better, and had extensive training and experience in labor relations. We have suffered as a result of this disadvantage during the negotiations, because Management has better experts from human resources, accounting, legal, and economics/finance. Change of Control anyone? Retroactive Attendance Policy anyone? Split Full-Time Shifts in Part-Time Shifts anyone? Less Healthcare Insurance Options anyone?

I understand the importance of "behind the scene" people who are the support staff during negotiations, but I also understand that keeping trained people out of the direct negotiations leads to the "telephone operator" effect of passing along discussions with important parts being left out in the process. The inability of the educated support staff to speak directly with the opposition and raise questions during the negotiations allows Management to manipulate the CBA to their advantage. Frankly, I want someone with a skeptical, critical eye parsing over every word in a CBA directly with Management and with the legal mentality and the confidence the language would stand-up before an arbitrator. That's not going to happen with a guy who spent the prior 20 years loading bags into a plane.

There is a place at the negotiating table for average blue collar types in terms of the issues which are important to the rank and file who are actually performing the work involved, especially in terms of safety matters, bid shifts, pay differentials, etc., but they should not be the ones negotiating the language of the contracts.

So Advises Jester.

jester , no need to worry any further brother , i read today on the union message board that the appointees who will be sitting on the negotiating committee are going to be trained at our union school ! After a week or two they should be ready to throw down with the company negotiators , you know the company negotiators who have experience dealing with the pilots , and the FA’s and MX …

I really like the New Direction gung ho sprit , take a bunch of people who for the most part have no experience having conducted contract negotiations with this company and just throw them into it and see what happens ! I can’t wait to see our next awesome contract !!!


Ah well , it’s too bad their not going to use Ron Roth , the only guy left in this union who sat at the table from the LAST contract negotiations … hands on , in the trenches experience is overrated anyways right ?
 
BJ,

In appreciation of you basically calling me "stupid and not being able to be comprehend" I fully understood Mr. Brown's post was about CLT! But if you would please read all the posts on this forum not just the ones that strike true in this case, YOU would clearly see that I was not the only one on here to realize that his statement on the attendence policy being in violation due the management "starting" agents on level 3 was not happening in any other city besides CLT, and that tells me that CLT is either getting abused, has bad representation or both I think thats "THE PART" I get the most. For Mr. Brown to actually make that statement its kind of embarrassing to me and the rest of our brothers and sisters as I am not what you call a stooge in management that this was or is being allowed. CLT is a hub, and management is treating one of our major cities like this and not doing this in any other station? YOU and MR BROWN are the ones that should be more involved in your city and stop trying to figure out what Im doing! Spend less time on here answering posts that were no short of malicious or directed at you in the first place and help out your brothers and sisters that are being taken advantage of in YOUR city.

As for the infighting comment, I can see now why you would think that as I read what others have posted! C Brown's "stir the pot" comment only tells me that unionworks hit a nerve as I must have and that this must be happening. Although I can only go by what unionworks states due to the fact that I have to admit I dont know anything about CLT's bid, there seems to be more issues in CLT then just attendence!

BJ, also if my posts feel like they are driving a wedge between us your skin must be very thin, I must say you need to "toughen up" a bit, because if we are going to win the war against management my words are just minute, their words and tatics are a lot tougher then me.
 
BJ,

In appreciation of you basically calling me "stupid and not being able to be comprehend" I fully understood Mr. Brown's post was about CLT! But if you would please read all the posts on this forum not just the ones that strike true in this case, YOU would clearly see that I was not the only one on here to realize that his statement on the attendence policy being in violation due the management "starting" agents on level 3 was not happening in any other city besides CLT, and that tells me that CLT is either getting abused, has bad representation or both I think thats "THE PART" I get the most. For Mr. Brown to actually make that statement its kind of embarrassing to me and the rest of our brothers and sisters as I am not what you call a stooge in management that this was or is being allowed. CLT is a hub, and management is treating one of our major cities like this and not doing this in any other station? YOU and MR BROWN are the ones that should be more involved in your city and stop trying to figure out what Im doing! Spend less time on here answering posts that were no short of malicious or directed at you in the first place and help out your brothers and sisters that are being taken advantage of in YOUR city.

As for the infighting comment, I can see now why you would think that as I read what others have posted! C Brown's "stir the pot" comment only tells me that unionworks hit a nerve as I must have and that this must be happening. Although I can only go by what unionworks states due to the fact that I have to admit I dont know anything about CLT's bid, there seems to be more issues in CLT then just attendence!

BJ, also if my posts feel like they are driving a wedge between us your skin must be very thin, I must say you need to "toughen up" a bit, because if we are going to win the war against management my words are just minute, their words and tatics are a lot tougher then me.


joey joey joey,

You really are the king of backseat drivers aren't you. You just want to sit back there and tell everybody else how to drive, yet you refuse to take the wheel. Why is that. How do you know what kind of leadership is in CLT, or any other city for that matter? And if you could read, you would see that is was Jester, who if I am not mistaken is from PHX, talking about going right to step 2 or 3 in PHX not CLT, not charlie brown. So where you went from PHX to CLT is beyond me. By hitting a nerve, you will hit one with alot of people by trying to spread misinformantion and lies, you WILL be called out. So stick to the city you know PHL, and let the others stick to the cities that they know. Your posts are amusing to me at best, any 5 year old can comprehend posts better than you, and probably have a more atriculate reply, but you do fit right in with the childish name calling though. I suggest you take your own advice and read before you answer.
 
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