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As I said on my previous post, I haven't been approached by anyone other than Billy. About running for a position. You say you presume that I will be, ok, your free to presume. Like I said, you have spent the last 4 years in the district offices, not me, you would know much more than I, if my name has been mentioned. I don't concern myself with what might happen. As for me being muzzled? That's funny!!! And anyone that knows me, will get a kick out of that comment. But if that's what you want to post about me, ok. Most of my post in the past have been about getting the correct info to our members, not debating back and forth with someone. Informing our members correctly is important to me, that's why I offered my appology to Jester& ex ramper, since it appears they gave correct info. Since I am 100% sure that management reads this site daily, I don't think it's the best place for certain issues to be discussed. And as far as the debate about district issues. I don't feel like I should be the one giving the districts position on issues. I'm not qualified to do that. Like I said before, you've been in the district office for the last 4 years, I haven't. My time has been spent mostly dealing with local issues in clt, I haven't had the time to dig into the issues you talk about. Why you would want to debate me on the local issues in clt, I don't know, but like I said, come on down if you want. I think you have a transfer in for clt anyway don't you? And again, you have my cell number, I have told you before, feel free to call me anytime
As I said on my previous post, I haven't been approached by anyone other than Billy. About running for a position. You say you presume that I will be, ok, your free to presume. Like I said, you have spent the last 4 years in the district offices, not me, you would know much more than I, if my name has been mentioned. I don't concern myself with what might happen. As for me being muzzled? That's funny!!! And anyone that knows me, will get a kick out of that comment. But if that's what you want to post about me, ok. Most of my post in the past have been about getting the correct info to our members, not debating back and forth with someone. Informing our members correctly is important to me, that's why I offered my appology to Jester& ex ramper, since it appears they gave correct info. Since I am 100% sure that management reads this site daily, I don't think it's the best place for certain issues to be discussed. And as far as the debate about district issues. I don't feel like I should be the one giving the districts position on issues. I'm not qualified to do that. Like I said before, you've been in the district office for the last 4 years, I haven't. My time has been spent mostly dealing with local issues in clt, I haven't had the time to dig into the issues you talk about. Why you would want to debate me on the local issues in clt, I don't know, but like I said, come on down if you want. I think you have a transfer in for clt anyway don't you? And again, you have my cell number, I have told you before, feel free to call me anytime
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Well, me and you just differ because I honestly don't think your members are getting a kick out of you not being able to disclose the things you know from being on the negotiations team, including the company's actions and how they opened up negotiations with a statement about mergers. If you want to claim that you have been a transparent negotiator under Delaney and haven't been muzzled from sharing that information then I think that is unfortunate because we both know that you have. I'm not faulting you or the negotiators, since you are under Delaney's style of negotiations, but it simply is not true that you have not been muzzled. And that's a shame since I think you would excell in a more transparent information flowing structure as written under the Occupy141 platform. At any rate, you have taken a leadership position in the District by engaging in negotiations so if you do not know the history over the past 3 years of Delaney's actions in negotiations then let me encourage you to do so, especially in the district negotiations role you have taken on. You ought to know those things and ought to share those things with your membership, especially with a potential merger barrelling down on them. The CLT Membership needs to know the path Delaney chose at United with the Continental merger and how he shifted his position.
And I'm not sure anyone anywhere, including IND and BUF, are getting a kick out of what happened in negotiations this week with Delaney agreeing to the expedition of station closings and allowing ASIG to do YOUR work provided everyone affected gets greased a few hundred bucks.
Onward www.Occupyiam141.com
Tim
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Tim,
You have his cell phone number. Call him up. You don't need to post your answer.
Carry on.
You have his cell phone number. Call him up. You don't need to post your answer.
Carry on.
Charlie...no need to apologize. The main problem on this site is that its full of rumors because nobody with the union or company believes we are smart enough to know the truth. The company likes to see fighting between the groups and cities and the union is busy hiding things from us. Basically we are all like mushrooms...kept in the dark and fed sh$* all day. Thanks again for the apology and you are a honorable man.
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Below is the number for clt grievance office. We get calls all the time from other stations. If you feel you are in the dark on issues, give us a call. If I don't have the answer, I will get it for you and get back to you. There are 3 of us in there. And we are in there an average of 3 days a week. Leave your contact info. I can't promise you the answers will always be what ya want to here. But we will get you the answer and get back to you.
704-359-3350
Below is the number for clt grievance office. We get calls all the time from other stations. If you feel you are in the dark on issues, give us a call. If I don't have the answer, I will get it for you and get back to you. There are 3 of us in there. And we are in there an average of 3 days a week. Leave your contact info. I can't promise you the answers will always be what ya want to here. But we will get you the answer and get back to you.
704-359-3350
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Me and CHarlie Brown are fine, always have been, as far as I know. We've called eachother in the past but I wanted to make sure some things were written down on this page. This conversation was about specific negotiations that exramper brought up and general conversations about negotiations. Charlie decided to engage and insert himself into the discussion as he presented himself as a 'local guy'. I merely pointed out that he does in fact have a muzzle on, under the Delaney prescription, and that he is much more than a 'local guy' when he is engaged in one of the most sacred things under the District canopy. Therefore, he ought to know quite well Delaney's actions in negotiations and how misleading Delaney has been in the context of negotiations at EVERY property. Cripes, I even talked to him on the phone and pointed out how Delaney lied to the UA rampers and ended up appeasing management in merger negotiations at UA/CO. Delaney's actions are highly significant when considering the same beaten path at US AIRWAYS. I don't think any of the US AIRWAYS members would be impressed if Delaney flitters around for 2 years in negotiations, only to scrap them and take up new surveys, and new proposals as he appeases management and enters transition talks presuming a merger. CB seemed to indicate that somehow he could stop that, but he can't, he has no authority, and would be removed from any negotiations team if he got in the way. The only way to stop the insanity is to not only change out names but also change out the way in which the union does its business. The only way the ramp will go from lower middle class to middle class again is if we empower the masses by scrapping the way in which this Collective Bargaining Agent does business. The Occupy 141 platform would address that. Otherwise, we should expect to keep the insanity going and forever lose the thought of becoming middle class.
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You don't call him because this is about you, not Fleet Service, and you want to be sure everyone knows it.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Tim Nelson
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Huh? Oh yeah, I retook my knee pads and got fired from a very good paying union job because it was all about me??? No sir, I'm not a bought man but if it was all about me then I can assure you that I would still have a very good union job that I was incredibly successful with as I came through on everything I said I was going to deliver back to you on your own dime. My accomplishments on your dime while I had the authority and Directorship to lead this great union along the organizing battlefield are second to none. And BTW, a leader doesn't win organizing drives if it's all about him. So, it's not just me telling you that it isn't all about me, and it's not just me sacrificing a job, my accomplishments are a pure indication to you and everyone that it ISN"T all about me. Winning organizing drives is about being aggressive and relentless with solidarity and putting together teams and team building. I stood on the shoulders of a great team that I build, i.e., solid union brothers and sisters....and that's how we did it. And I should remind you that the bar was not set high and I probably could have sat on my ass and not produce a thing if I had simply played politics. But being passionate, relentless, and aggressively building teams is how its done. OTOH, Delaney's actions are a pure indication that it is all about him.
The problem is that once someone gets a good union job, then it becomes all about them and even though they know management has been appeased, they do nothing but sing kumbuya with Delaney. I was the exception. I couldn't tolerate Delaney screwing over the members I organized at Airtran, and him ying to the members we organized at UA/CO. Well, if it was all about me then I would definately not be spending my time advocating for a platform that will, for the first time, not only change out names but also change the way our union does business so that the members can finally have the transparency, accountability, and information that they need. No sir, if it was all about me I would still be enjoying my good paying union job and not have retook my knee pads.
And why do you presume that I didn't call CB? You are wrong, because I picked up the phone and called him earlier today because, you see, it isn't all about me. And also, let me be clear, I'm not presenting myself as anyones hero, even though I did everything I told the membership I was going to do while I was on their dime and I was incredibly successful because I was 24/7 working for the membership. Am I arrogant? Probably. An ####? Yes. But I listen and respond and know how to finish the job. But no, I'm not your hero because you would need more than a superhero to get fleet service back to middle class if it was all about switching out names. Whether it is me, Delaney, or Superman himself, YOUR company would not have much to budge unless the membership was inserted like Occupy 141 dreams it to be. We really have no other choice if we want to become middle class so Occupy 141 is not only needed but it is an essential requirement if we are going to intelligently discuss becoming middle class. The wildcard is the masses and that is a card that this union structure simply does not allow unless the structure is changed.
The hero has to be the masses.
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Tim,
Other than yourself, who is going to be on the Occupy 141 ticket? All that is on the website is the same stuff that you wrote here.
Other than yourself, who is going to be on the Occupy 141 ticket? All that is on the website is the same stuff that you wrote here.
Dog Wonder
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You revel in this. Bad things happening to Fleet Service is good for you.
Like the Republicans wanting the economy to go to Hell, because it helps their election chances.
Carry on.
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PJ,
Right now our focus is on sharing the platform that we built to spring the masses and create intelligent discussion. On the website, we also shared a facebook site that has over 400 members already, many of which are from UA. We created a twitter acount and that's something new to me so we are also doing that. So even though we don't list our candidates on the website at this time, we have created a clear thinking forum in which folks can network and engage in clear thinking discussion, regardless of who votes for which candidate.
Obviously, it takes an incredible amount of time to build a complete ticket that myself and others are comfortable with. Remember, during previous campaigns, the incumbent always had the advantage of only having 10 or 12 spots up for election. Now, because of Delaney breaking the labor laws and kicking a previoius candidate off the ballot because he didn't like him, the Department of Labor is running this campaign and said that practically all spots are up for grabs. In 2010, the opposing ticket only had 12 spots to fill. This time, each ticket will have 27 spots or over 2x as much. This evens the playing field. But, because of it, it is taking alot longer to fill the spots. We had 12 spots filled within the first week, and all of our 4 year AGC spots are in fact full. However, I have 4 spots that we are leaving open and I have 5 committed candidates from UA PCE that we may lose if they vote out the IAM. We have approached numorous candidates and asked them what their situation is and some have said no and some have said yes. But, there are a few things we simply won't know until the UA PCE election on February 21. What we do know is that there are most likely going to be over 100 members running for AGC spots and at least 3 Presidential candidates but likely 4. So, it makes no sense to fill our remaining 4 open spots when we are talking to some strong candidates who will keep their options open until at least February 21.
As far as which candidates we currently have? I believe it is much better to come out as a team after February 21 as it would make no sense to share our slate with you but then lose 5 of our candidates because they are no longer IAM members. I'm sure Delaney, Karen, and the other slate feel the same way since we all are waiting on the PCE election results.
To be sure, the ND is telling everyone that I have nobody and indicated that they will slam dunk PHL, PHX, CLT, ORD, etc. So, I did put forth the candidates from PHL [George, Local chairman and negotiator, and Rik, recording secretary Local 1776] with their approval, and I did mention one person of the several that I had from ORD UA [Dave Pazerekes, 6 year marine, former ramp and store committeeman, graduate BA from the Labor College] who they realize is more than capable of obtaining UA votes for the ticket in ORD. Besides that I think Timmy Nessler, Local Chairman of FLL told Mickey he was on the Occupy slate, and I think Shauna Goodman, Local Chairman of UA SAN told folks she was on the Occupy slate. Overall, we now have over a dozen Local Chairman, some former Local chairman, some former local ramp and stores committee, some local officers, and a few solid shop stewards, including Billy K from CLT who serves as a shop steward and was a district organizer the last 3 years. At any rate, as we move past the February 21 date, we will most definately have the bios, videos, etc of all the candidates so everyone can be kept fully informed.
Onward Occupy 141
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Tim
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Again, I had a good union job Dog Wonder, why would I concern myself at all about fleet service, whether good things or bad things, if I thought about myself only? I wouldn't even have to worry about any elections, would I?
No, quite the opposite is true. I chose to become a candidate as a direct result of things being bad for fleet service. It's called sacrifice.
The undeniable fact is that bad things have happened to fleet service and it doesn't matter whether we are talking about UA, HAL, or US. Corporate greed is bigger and more powerful as the unions have continuously appeased management. So that's the problem and I simply proposed a solution that incorporates a platform that quite honestly is built on practically everything our membership has been screaming for.
Now, if you have another solution then fine, and present it to the masses and I have no doubt that they will consider it and make the proper choice.
Now excuse me because I gotta get ready to work my ramp shift.
Onward Occupy 141
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Tim
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My solution is simple.
You cannot in good faith promote Solidarity while tearing down the union.
Carry on.
You cannot in good faith promote Solidarity while tearing down the union.
Carry on.
Tim Nelson
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Item 1: I think you are confusing solidarity with democracy. Democracy means a choice in which we consider various candidates, based on what they have accomplished, and then have open debate. At times democracy is necessarily ugly.
In Wisconsin, do you think that the Democratic representatives should have sung kumbuya with the Republican governor who pushed a right to work agenda or do you think it was permissible for them to stand up against the governor? Likewise, there is no virtue in tolerating inept leadership that appeases management at every turn. Kindly review Delaney's actions at Aloha, Hawaiian, UA, and US and then tell me, in good conscience, that he has done anything worthy of a single vote.
Item 2: Solidarity. It is necessary, in good faith, to promote solidarity by pruning and tearing down the greed and management sweetheart appeasements of the Collective Bargaining Agent.
To build or have the type of solidarity that we need, we first have to smash down the greed and management appeasements in our own union. Basically we have to get rid of the dopey IAM 101 handbook and allow the masses to occupy this union. That would be freakn awesome and it would, for the first time empower the masses. It's easy to do and 'each' point on our platform is very doable. I did the same thing on the organizing drives. Not to be crude but the dopey IAM organizing 101 handbook was insulting and insane. I built the solidarity needed to sustain success in organizing and we need to apply those principles in representation so we can sustain success in negotiations. The Occupy 141 platform is in SHARP CONTRAST to the normal and customary model that Delaney/Canale have used.
With all this merger talk, the Collective Bargaining Agent ought to have an incredible amount of leverage. And myself and a group of solid brothers and sisters have already been building solidarity and it's spreading as we stand on the platform of having the masses occupy the union.
We already know what happens when we support Delaney, our members with 35 years are given Black garbage bags, and are greased with a few hundred dollars [Those are NH's guys aren't they? Amazing how a guy can go on TV and talk big but then stand behind Delaney's treason] to have their jobs contracted out before even Canale himself allowed.
I have also established that I have the respect of the INTL as I moved the INTL on several items that furthered this great District. It wasn't pretty but you have to fight the INTL to preserve the integrity of the District. I'm not saying the INTL loves me or hates me, as that isn't important to me. But it does respect me since I was able to move it from several of its initial positions where both the INTL and District reaped success.
As aside, i read the dopey LOA that Delaney just signed that agreed to allow your company to continue contracting out BUF before the time that Canale established. Not surprisingly, under #11, it says the negotiations leading up to this agreement must remain confidential." Then it goes on with a half dozen points that protect your company.
Onward www.Occupyiam141.com
Tim
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