IAM FLEET SERVICE

[orioleman]

anyone seeing the neg committee playing golf with doug in the valley of sun

 

[Hadenough]

Just sitting back and enjoying the conversations. Really nothing to add, we can see that there are some perceptions out there that simply will not fly. I am glad you were able to afford a meal at Taco Bell, maybe you are getting paid too much! $18 per hour seems like a fair wage for the work you provide!

I thought about having a battle of wits over this stupid sarcastic comment but alas battling someone that is obviously unarmed is wrong.

 

[pjirish317]

Does anyone know if the negotiating committee packed enough chapstick and KY jelly for the "negotiations"? Just curious.

 

[GoldenRam94]

I thought about having a battle of wits over this stupid sarcastic comment but alas battling someone that is obviously unarmed is wrong.

Whatever you say little man!

Go back and read this thread, and you should be able to understand part of the problem that this work group faces. You have no real idea what you are worth, you have done nothing to rid yourselves of the slugs, you blame everyone else for all of the problems. Times they are a changin, and you are on the train tracks with a bright light coming right at you, and the train is being driven by Dougie and he will get what he needs with or without you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have seemed to have struck a nerve, so much so that I got Tim to reply on a Sunday, no less.

Some people are protesting too much, did I describe some of you within my description of "The bin-avoidance guys, The newspaper-coffee-cup-walking-around guys, The chalk-kicking-water-filling-ground-power-connecting guys, The run-one-flight-per-a-shift guys, and The download-youporn.com-wireless-laptop guys"?

Where to begin? So much venom and so little bandwidth...

I have watched plenty of Southwest flights in action as both LAS and PHX are both major Southwest operations, but I have never seen two rampers in the forward bin of a 737 and I see no reason unless they were doing their ramp version of Fire Island. Furthermore, I typically see one runner, one lead, and two assist, and I never heard of counting the caterers as part of the team. Why not count the fuelers and the upstairs concessionary people too? If people are going to mention Southwest as a comparison of what we should earn, then let it be make a valid comparison of work load involved.

Additionally, it doesn't matter to be in terms of difficulty between Southwest 737's and our A319's, if anything the A319's would be easier as it has more headroom in the bins and I stack front or back alone. The A320's are marginally more difficult, but only if there is large amounts of cargo, because otherwise short stacking 80 in the forward and 90 in the aft isn't a big deal alone. Given that A320's and smaller are the large majority of the fleet, I think the argument of varied fleet vs. Southwest is specious, at best. And we don't turn planes in 40 minutes, at least, on time typically.

Sorry, $21/hour for unskilled, uneducated work is "big bucks" considering that most college graduates don't earn that immediately after college, when the average income in the US is $36,000 and most people aren't having the luxury of 3 hours of down time during a typical 8 hour shift.

Bankruptcy struck 4 of the 6 legacy carriers, while both AA and CO flirted with the idea until they squeezed wage and benefit concessions without going Chapter 11, but of course, because all those airline manages were "inept", right, Tim?

Parker can wait. Parker rather enjoys paying West far less than East. In fact, Parker could really enjoy just subbing out the entire ramp operations if wage demands become excessive. Don't think it could happen? Look at Alaska and Midwest in their hubs of SEA and MKE.

And Tim, do I have contempt for workers? I have contempt for those who are drunk or lazy, becuase they endanger me or I am doing their work. Who created these problems? Well, how about those that defend those same employees? Any guesses? Three letters, and I'll spot you two of them... I and A and there are no more vowels in the puzzle. Listen to the hue and cry when management actually started to can dozens people in PHX with many no-shows and scores of sick calls during a year, but the union was there to defend the employees actions. If you are going to create the straw man argument that I said "all" ramp agents were lazy, drunken, etc. then you will be called on it, because I never said any such thing. If you have any questions, I'll be sleeping on the coach in the PHX bag room.

Furthermore, investors didn't pump in $3.5 billion to give everyone a raise and the inane arguments of the CIC by the IAM shows the desperation of the mentality where need is a claim.

While as much I would like to continue, I must answer to a bantering wife who is giving me an evil look of being online too long.

So cajoled has been Jester.

Jester, I gotta jet [kids home today] but I have to say a few things about this southwest sidebar discussion when I have time. Sunday? hey, I'm 24/7 guy.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487 ORD

 

[pjirish317]

Times they are a changin, and you are on the train tracks with a bright light coming right at you, and the train is being driven by Dougie and he will get what he needs with or without you.

Spoken like a true company a** kisser. Maybee you should realize what we are worth to the company and stop being a company mouthpiece. "Gloom and Doom" won't fly around here anymore.

 

[Hadenough]

Thanks for proving my point P.F. (Goldenham) How does the song go? Na...Na....Na....Na.....Hey Hey Goodbye. Battling with you would almost be immoral.

 

[orioleman]

golden,
"and you are on the train tracks with a bright light coming right at you, and the train is being driven by Dougie and he will get what he needs with or without you."

do you have to be so descriptive on what's going on in the secret chamber of NEG. Just because you let others ride the train on you

doesn't mean we do.

 

[GoldenRam94]

Jester makes the most sense of anyone on this board. Too bad some of you other slugs are not as realistic and far sighted as he/she is.

 

[orioleman]

JESTERS IN MANAGEMENT YOU MORON !!!!!

 

[GoldenRam94]

JESTERS IN MANAGEMENT YOU MORON !!!!!

What he says is dead on! If you cannot recognize that fact then you are only fooling yourself. We will see when the dust settles just how far off base you are.

The fact that you judge someone on where they may work just shows your ignorance and arrogance. Then again your arrogance and ignorance may be enough to take this airline down, and in the end I think that you would be quite please with that, even though the management team you think you are hurting will land on their feet and have no financial worries thanks to your own ignorance.

 

[mike33]

JESTERS IN MANAGEMENT YOU MORON !!!!!

So is Goldenham..........well, sort of.......................#@&^@

 

[pjirish317]

even though the management team you think you are hurting will land on their feet and have no financial worries thanks to your own ignorance.

That's because "management " has golden parachutes, and excellent Change in Controll clauses, unlike Fleet Service, thanks to the ineptitude of the I'll Ask Management NC. That is where your arrogance/ignorance comes to play. Stop kissing Dougweiser's a** and make a stand for us, not the company, and maybee you might keep your $100,000 club membership. I doubt it though.

 

[orioleman]

so golden,
let me get this right. YOU AGREE that we only need 1 bin guy to work our a/c . YOU agree that our work rules suck (at least in the eyes of management) and it's OUR fault for running this airline in the sh_ _er . Geez can't wait to see what you bring back from the
table. Well guys " we have to eliminate half our ramp cause the HP boys can do it all by themselves " . As far as our work rules YOUR
the one that NEG. ..

Let me guess . YOUR about to lose oooh say 60,000. a year so YOUR bucking for the NEWLY created VP of ramp operations in PHL

not a bad angle I guess. since your so in tune with the NEW MANAGEMENT . Philosphy

 

[redeye]

So is Goldenham..........well, sort of.......................#@&^@

Squeal as he may, he cant stop WEDNESDAY!