IAM FLEET SERVICE

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

You are fortunate that I am anonymous on this board otherwise I would sue your happy ass for slander. I was willing to hold out hope that you were many times wrongly using a less common definition of "bigot" being "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion," but your introduction of racism eliminates any possibly of that option. Any suggestion that I am somehow dropping "n-bombs" or any other racial epithet on this board or on the ramp could get someone killed, not to mention, lose one's job. However, Boss Canale while a public figure has been accused by you of being criminal in his actions, for which you can be sued and maybe the his personal attorney needs to put you on notice. One thing to say that Boss Canale has been incompetent (as I said so many times), it is another thing to say that he is essentially taking bribes by being on the United board (as you have said many times).

Why would "racism" be a factor in terms of how I view the general malaise and laziness to all too many rampers? I have never mentioned race, or even gender, religion, age, or nationality within any of my posts. This is a complete smear job complete with malice and it only shows the desperation in your inability to discuss matters without resorting to personal, slanderous attacks. Shame on you for claiming to represent all ramp agents fairly because your comments toward me (and anyone who disagrees with you) suggest that you are a disservice to this organization. If you were man enough, you would apologize immediately for your malicious and vile comments directed at me, as I reject any bigotry within my personal life.

So Warns Jester.

I make no apologies Jester, it is you that should apologize to rampers for calling them lazy and talking down about their worth. You seemed to be on a tirade of bigotry as was first mentioned NOT by me but by B737 something. After reading your endless love letters of how rampers are lazy and worthless...senior rampers are worth even less...and Southwest rampers come out of phone booths, I concluded that B737 was right and that you have 'issues'. Such issues that usually fall under the discrimmatory unbrella.

As far as Boss Canale. He is a public figure but his allegiance to the UA board of directors should be questioned.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

 

[Jester]

I make no apologies Jester, it is you that should apologize to rampers for calling them lazy and talking down about their worth. You seemed to be on a tirade of bigotry as was first mentioned NOT by me but by B737 something. After reading your endless love letters of how rampers are lazy and worthless...senior rampers are worth even less...and Southwest rampers come out of phone booths, I concluded that B737 was right and that you have 'issues'. Such issues that usually fall under the discrimmatory unbrella.

As far as Boss Canale. He is a public figure but his allegiance to the UA board of directors should be questioned.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

Why don't you answer the GD question? When did I EVER mention race?

You are very good at NOT answering questions, but instead spew slander. Answer the question!

So Probes Jester. :angry:

 

[freedom]

PJ,
jester's hate for rampers and his 'self proclaimed bigotry against those with more seniority' are clear and are a 'close kin' to racism, thus his opinion is corrupted.

while i don't like taking tims side , if this is the quote you were talking about jester , he's not calling you racist , he's just stretching words .... REALLY stretching words


On the other side of that coin thou , I don’t think jester hates rampers because he himself is a ramper . He hasn’t said anything profane in my opinion , yes we have some lazy people who get protected by the union from time to time , but I find that to be the exception rather than the rule … and his assessment on the worth of a ramper is just that HIS , while I don’t agree with it I don’t think we need to burn him at the stake so to speak .

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

As far as Boss Canale. He is a public figure but his allegiance to the UA board of directors should be questioned.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

Hi Tim,

Since we are on the subject of “Conflict of Interestâ€￾. So you are saying, Mr. Canale is still on the UA Board of Directors or was on the UA board? What was or is his title on the UA board? If he is still on the UA Board, is he being paid by the IAM and UA?

Thank You,
Jeff

 

[GoldenRam94]

Tim's a joke! He cannot answer his questions and throws out words for which he does not even know how to define!

 

[rat tales]

Hi Tim,

Since we are on the subject of “Conflict of Interestâ€￾. So you are saying, Mr. Canale is still on the UA Board of Directors or was on the UA board? What was or is his title on the UA board? If he is still on the UA Board, is he being paid by the IAM and UA?

Thank You,
Jeff

UAL Corporation Board of Directors

Glenn F. Tilton
Chairman, President and CEO, UAL Corporation and United Airlines
Director Since 2002

Richard J. Almeida
Retired Chairman and CEO, Heller Financial, Inc
Director Since 2006

Mary K. Bush
President, Bush International
Director Since 2006

Stephen R. Canale
President and General Chairman, District Lodge 141, IAMAW
Director Since 2002

W. James Farrell
Retired Chairman and CEO, Illinois Tools Works, Inc.
Director Since 2001

Walter Isaacson
President and CEO, The Aspen Institute
Director Since 2006

Robert D. Krebs
Retired Chairman, Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corporation
Director Since 2006

Robert S. Miller, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Delphi Corporation
Director Since 2003

James J. O'Connor
Retired Chairman and CEO, Unicom Corporation
Director Since 1984

David J. Vitale
Senior Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer of Chicago Public Schools
Director Since 2006

John H. Walker
CEO, Global Brass and Copper, Inc.
Director Since 2002

Stephen A. Wallach
United Airlines Pilots Master Executive Council Chairman, Airline Pilots Association International
Director Since 2008

 

[Jester]

while i don't like taking tims side , if this is the quote you were talking about jester , he's not calling you racist , he's just stretching words .... REALLY stretching words

Being accused of "bigotry" and "close kin to racism" within the same sentence, it isn't hard to bridge the two.

Instead Tim hides behind what B737-200 says who never mentioned race in the first place, which is why I gave the benefit of a doubt as to the less used definion of a bigot being, "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."

Yes, I can be utterly intolerant of stupidity, laziness, and intellectual dishonesty and if that's a "bigot" then I plead guilty.

So reminds Jester.

 

[freedom]

Well I think what happened is that you pushed their buttons when you talked about some of the negative qualities of some rampers and they over reacted , you used too broad a brush in talking about individuals who are lazy , poor attendance etc and I’m betting a lot of people took offence to that . The majority of rampers that I know are hard working and show up early for work day in and day out year after year .

It doesn’t bother many people that the public has a negative perception of baggage handling , but it’s hard to accept the general stereotypes from someone who’s a baggage handler himself .

 

[GoldenRam94]

Hey RatTales, you forgot to highlight the Airline Pilots representative on the board as well! There is a valid reason for this I am sure!

 

[JoeDirt]

I was going to get defensive about some of these statements. Instead I decided to make a statement of my own.

To whom it may concern:

In my experence (23 years) I have seen many people come and go. The majority of those that remain have chosen to make a career out of
this job. We are here not because we have to be here, we are here because we want to be here. Working for an airline gets into your blood
and is like no other job in the world. There are times we work under appalling conditions. What those conditions are depends on what station
you are in and what job you do there. We all have our daily tasks. Yet we still do it day after day. We might moan and groan and sometimes
we even go straight to bitching. We have earned the right to do so. It has been bought and paid for with x# of years of sweat and blood,
bruises, sore muscles, and many other injuries. The ramp by its very nature is a very dangerous place. It been paid for with many late
nights waiting for that last flight. Its been paid for by numerous holidays away from family and friends. Its been paid for with the headaches and
sacrifices of everyone who chose this as a career. We gladly welcome new people into our ranks. The only thing we ask is that they prove
themself first. The majority of fleet service are good hard working people who only want a decent life for themself and their families. As for
myself personally I will let my work ethic speak for itself. I have earned the respect of my co-workers and even the respect of some in local
management. I do a hard job but I do it well. Respect is earned and should not be given freely.

WE HAVE EARNED THAT RESPECT AND WILL ACCEPT NOTHING LESS.

Freedom this is how I feel and I did think it was offensive of Jester to use such a broad brush.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Being accused of "bigotry" and "close kin to racism" within the same sentence, it isn't hard to bridge the two.

Instead Tim hides behind what B737-200 says who never mentioned race in the first place, which is why I gave the benefit of a doubt as to the less used definion of a bigot being, "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."

Yes, I can be utterly intolerant of stupidity, laziness, and intellectual dishonesty and if that's a "bigot" then I plead guilty.

So reminds Jester.

Jester,
I've lost interest in commenting to you directly since you just keep rambling the same pompus babble over and over again about how lazy US AIRWAYS workers are.

Further, although I don't have the time to go look up what I said, your 'age discrimmatory' remarks are under the unbrella of discrimminatory remarks which are 'kin to other indecencies'. It's apparent that you have 'issues' with higher senior workers. I can't offer you any apology.

B737 didn't pick this up first, If I recall it was "Pit...to death" who picked up on your writings. I seconded it as you endlessly beat in the ground that US AIRWAYS rampers are lazy and that Southwest rampers jump out of phonebooths. Why don't you try writing 'good things' about the masses or just be quiet if you have to hammer their worth? No ramper needs you telling them they aren't worth an industry standard wage. We have Goldenram, other AGC's and Management saying that.

I realize I make comments on this board under my real name. I do this to be accountable so that if I have to apologize I will, and often do. OTOH, I would suspect that if you posted under your real name, you would not be so bold to call your fellow ramp workers 'lazy', and suggest the senior people are 'pimping' the OJI path. For you, there is no accountability since you can say anything you want behind a curtain.

Try posting under your real name and start hammering on your fellow rampers....just once. I would be curious as to what your co-workers would write back about you.
Bottom line.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, Chicago

 

[orioleman]

Rat tales,
"sound like the squirrel that didn't save for the winter who is running around asking everyone "have you seen my nuts. I lost my nuts and now I have nothin' "

that's freakin awesome.. can I quote you in the future

 

[orioleman]

PJ , Ron roth has been working tirelessly day in and day out to help US here on the west side of the network , if you don’t like that , tough . Ron Roth is one of the best union leaders I’ve ever seen , and I don’t think I’ll see a better one …. I can sleep soundly at night knowing that I’m represented by a competent man .In fact I’ll take it one step further and say that when all seems lost in this pathetic process between union and company he inspires hope . You go ahead and make the judgments that best suit you , and I’ll decide based on what I see with my own eyes and ears .

Ron welcome to the board .. Either Freedom is sleeping with you or YOU are FREEDOM

 

[GoldenRam94]

Ron welcome to the board .. Either Freedom is sleeping with you or YOU are FREEDOM

The point you are missing is when Freedom said Roth is the best Union man he has ever seen. Get it! Ever Seen! He has never seen one!

 

[orioleman]

Yes at least one manger is always at any rally we have while on the tarmac , but there’s nothing we can do to prevent them from being there , and I’d assume it’s a responsibility of theirs to monitor such a gathering … I know some of you would like to see pictures and video from the rally ,but the city of PHX is pretty darn strict about that stuff and there’s no crossing them . Maybe the pictures and video can be given to our union who can then try and clear it to publish with the city of PHX . I don’t know how that works thou .

that's called a party .. don't be confused