IAM FLEET SERVICE

[Tim Nelson]

Jester,
Then why do you flip-flop about parity for the west, the state the we should take what we can get, management won't budge, yada yada yada. It's the I'll Ask Management that won't budge for Fleet Service, but the will lay down for management, take all the concessions that that the company wants from us, and get us barely anything in return. We are clearly upset at the company/I'll Ask Management for this. And you seem to agree with them, them being the company/I'll Ask Management about what we are entitled to. And yes we are entitled to these things. All we are asking for to start with is an industry standard wage, and some decent scope language. But only if we do not have to "pay" for those changes.

Jester's opinion is biased on his bigotry, as Pit...to death rightfully points out. As far as WN goes, they have the same ramp problems as all other airlines, listen to jester's opinion then compare that with these facts of 'Southwest delays' just during January:
1, 17 minute delay...pax waiting on strollers from jetway
2. 31 minute delay. Ramp sup got injured and held off loading
3. 31 minutes, short staffed
4. 41 minutes, waiting for ramp to finish loading
5. 172 minute delay, no rampers working flight, could not find bags, Captain and "C" flight attendent and Cockpit rider found bags and loaded flight.
6. 68 minutes...short on ramp staff, pilots had to load flight
7. 54 minutes...ramp short
8. 20 minutes,...ramp short
9. 40 minutes...ramp short
....and many more delays [triva: these can be found on the internet]

Sounds worse than US AIRWAYS actually but these were all in one station for Southwest a couple weeks ago. Jester is 100% incorrect. It isn't that US AIRWAYS workers are lazy, nor is it about how old US AIRWAYS workers are. Southwest has the same problems and last I heard human beings work at southwest also. Bottom line is that one airline treats those human beings better than the other, and as in any relationship....if there is no respect or care then bad things happen.

Here is a quote that I think fits the picture,

"Unlike Soutwest...other airlines have undergone restructuring and/or bankruptcy, due in part to poor productivity, bad business decisions, and corporate greed. Worst of all, many airline employees no longer care about their customers, shareholders, or airline."

It's all about relationship. Bottom line. There is a 'separation' between company and employee on US AIRWAYS property. It may be that it is already a 'full blown divorce' but the only way to reconcile a business relationship is to show respect and care in the only form known to business.....$. Money talks. Until then, as Arnold sez, "Consider this a divorce....and screw Transition....screw it now.

The network will be in full strength and will not allow Parker to take his transition agreement from fleet service with another 'piss clam' TA. Workers will be mobilized to get out a big NO vote and unity must continue. Solidarity is a must because corporate greed and Union inadequacies are coming around the corner again.

As aside, the opposition ticket to get rid of Canale and kick him back to management where he belongs, will be revealed 'soon enough'.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487 ORD

 

[lithuanian]

Tomorrow in Phoenix will be another RALLY! It's been done Numerous times since 2005. No one noticed. But AWA gave it our BEST! We contacted every media we could've. Did anyone notice? H### NO! Does it matter two years later H### YES! Because NOT ONE person/ website/union/nor employee has been able to BEAT! WASHINGTON. The controls of the Republicans have given NOTHING to American workers. THEY control everything in any working inviornment. WE at AWA have spun our wheels for TOO LONG!
Tomorrow at 11:30a.m. in Phoenix due to the entire companies weaknesses! we will meet to again relate to the consequences the Big Industries have shoved down our throats! onto the Blue Collar Worker!

 

[Black Magic]

Southwest has it's own culture - homegrown....they grew and built on that culture. US Airways is a melting pot of everything from new hires that are happy to have a job to graybeards bellyaching about what they are entitled to due to 2 BKs and past CBA's. These T/A's won't mean a thing as long as we are divided...we will all be tested, but even if we get the contract we ask for will we ever really be the same? HP, US, PSA, Piedmont, Allegeny....does it matter? We should be one if we are ever going to succeed in this business.

Very true. The US Airways ramp seems to have every category of worker present from ex-convicts to college grads. and everything in between.

 

[freedom]

I don’t know if the company is reading this or not , but you had better get something done man … I’m serious , I’m on my last straw here , and it’s about to break . I’m a west worker and I’m tired of carrying this company and the PHX operation on my back , which we HAVE been doing , it’s time for you to PAY us decent wages …. This it man , just like that song the “final count down “ and if you screw us again, the next song that your going to be hearing is “what goes around comes around “ by JT …

 

[Black Magic]

Question? Since everyone here seems so pissed at mergers. Would you support industry consolidation/merging if in the long run you knew that you would be making between $24-$30 an hour?

I know I would! In truth I want all the airlines to merge up and reduce competition and raise ticket prices!

 

[lithuanian]

Ya Know! The Baiting! gets really OLD! Truth is A Rally 11:30am Phoenix. Nix the over educated estimations. I pray the Republic got on this, this time.

 

[orioleman]

Tim,
that guy jester reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with Jimmy . HE loves to hear himself talk and loves the third person thing.

for all the loyal PHX brothers/sisters out there be careful working with this cat. He seems very unstable. I believe he said he sleeps

on the couch in the bagroom . And Tim to think the east boys/girls are lazy. GO figure.



So says the O-man with the funny nose..


funny . .. someones wife didn't think it looked so FUNNY..

 

[Jester]

Jester's opinion is biased on his bigotry, as Pit...to death rightfully points out. As far as WN goes, they have the same ramp problems as all other airlines, listen to jester's opinion then compare that with these facts of 'Southwest delays' just during January:
1, 17 minute delay...pax waiting on strollers from jetway
2. 31 minute delay. Ramp sup got injured and held off loading
3. 31 minutes, short staffed
4. 41 minutes, waiting for ramp to finish loading
5. 172 minute delay, no rampers working flight, could not find bags, Captain and "C" flight attendent and Cockpit rider found bags and loaded flight.
6. 68 minutes...short on ramp staff, pilots had to load flight
7. 54 minutes...ramp short
8. 20 minutes,...ramp short
9. 40 minutes...ramp short
....and many more delays [triva: these can be found on the internet]

Sounds worse than US AIRWAYS actually but these were all in one station for Southwest a couple weeks ago. Jester is 100% incorrect. It isn't that US AIRWAYS workers are lazy, nor is it about how old US AIRWAYS workers are. Southwest has the same problems and last I heard human beings work at southwest also. Bottom line is that one airline treats those human beings better than the other, and as in any relationship....if there is no respect or care then bad things happen.

Here is a quote that I think fits the picture,

"Unlike Soutwest...other airlines have undergone restructuring and/or bankruptcy, due in part to poor productivity, bad business decisions, and corporate greed. Worst of all, many airline employees no longer care about their customers, shareholders, or airline."

Tim,

As a Jester Special just for you, instead of relying upon your ad hoc "analysis" from some unknown location with no comparison of US Airways, I did my own research from the U.S. Department of Transportation Statistics, Research and Innovation Technology Administration for On-Time Arrival Performance from Jan. 2007 - Oct. 2007. I picked a varied selection of cities which are served by both Southwest and US Airways on east and west coasts. Unfortunately, there were some cities which were incomplete data sets. Honestly, I could not find a single example by which US Airways beat Southwest for on-time performance, but review the carnage on your own:

BWI: SWA - 82.16% US - 58.87% (Nice Going O-Man!)
LAS: SWA - 82.21% US - 70.57%
RDU: SWA - 79.88% US - 66.59%
PHX: SWA - 82.08% US - 75.33% (Hey, I was sleeping on the bag room couch!)
PHL: SWA - 76.17% US - 60.32%
SMF: SWA - 81.56% US - 68.01%

And Tim, I know that Southwest does not fly to ORD, but I culled the following just for you:
ORD: ALL Airlines - 66.88% US - 54.84%

Oh, was res migiration the reason for ORD problems? Here's the data from June 07 - Oct. 07:
ORD: ALL Airlines - 70.70% US - 60.76%


Yes Jester is 100% correct, we do suck and we will continue to suck so long as we have an indifferent management and an enabling union. But that's okay, let's just pretend we are as good and as productive as Southwest and demand to get their wage scale! Let's be sure never to allow the truth to get in the way of a good story too!

Come on, Tim! Throw those pom-poms!

So Cheers Jester!

 

[700UW]

WN does not use ACARS for their out and off times and on and in times, it is manually reported, therefore it can be manipulated, unlike US who uses ACARS and the times are reported automatically.

Therefore the data that WN reports can be manipulated.

And US has some of the finest ramp employees, they are not given the proper equipment and proper manpower to run the operation as efficient as possible.

Why dont you blame the company who is responsible and not the rampers?

And fleet's work rules are very flexible towards the company, not the other way around.

WN is the most highly unionized airline in the industry and the highest paid, SWAPA, TWU, AMFA and the IAM, so your bias towards unionized workers does not hold water, but yet WN is the most consistant and profitable airline in the US.

 

[Jester]

WN does not use ACARS for their out and off times and on and in times, it is manually reported, therefore it can be manipulated, unlike US who uses ACARS and the times are reported automatically.

Therefore the data that WN reports can be manipulated.

And US has some of the finest ramp employees, they are not given the proper equipment and proper manpower to run the operation as efficient as possible.

Why dont you blame the company who is responsible and not the rampers?

And fleet's work rules are very flexible towards the company, not the other way around.

WN is the most highly unionized airline in the industry and the highest paid, SWAPA, TWU, AMFA and the IAM, so your bias towards unionized workers does not hold water, but yet WN is the most consistant and profitable airline in the US.

UW.

Of course, Southwest is LYING! They aren't really that good... are they? Do I need to do a comparison of MBR's and customer complaints too? Any bets that when Southwest brings ACARS online (they are testing right now), they will still be far ahead of our operations?

Yes, of course, we are a "fine" group... provided we have a minimum two people in every bin along with additional staff to service the aircraft. I mean someone needs to kick the chalks, attach power, hook-up air, and check the water. If I am required to have another person in the bin while loading a DSH-8 or B1900, I hope I don't catch a social disease. Not to mention, the other guy passed-out in the bin recovering from a drunken hangover from an all-nighter, but don't worry, he has breathe mints and an union which will fight for his job.

You are so right, I never mentioned management in any of my bashings as this proves:
"... we will continue to suck so long as we have an indifferent management..."
"I hold management and the union responsible for their inability to increase productivity."
"...it might actually free me up from the nonsense of the so-called 'managers' in this organization."
"Hey, look I am no great fan in Parker..."
"...I tire of Parker's game in refusing to unilaterally create pay parity."

In addition, of course, "all" rampers are poor excuses for workers, if you mean "all" of them are drunk and lazy... which of course, I never said that, but you will just follow "Mein Kampf" and the "Big Lie" theory of saying the most outlandish statements for which no one would really distort the truth that much just to make a point... would you? And just be sure to repeat it often enough and incorporate just a small grain of truth to the story to give it some creditability, okay? In the final analysis all we have is our word and our reputation because sometimes we need to be sincere even if we need to fake it, right?

So Jeers Jester :down:

 

[b737200]

UW.

Of course, Southwest is LYING! They aren't really that good... are they? Do I need to do a comparison of MBR's and customer complaints too? Any bets that when Southwest brings ACARS online (they are testing right now), they will still be far ahead of our operations?

Yes, of course, we are a "fine" group... provided we have a minimum two people in every bin along with additional staff to service the aircraft. I mean someone needs to kick the chalks, attach power, hook-up air, and check the water. If I am required to have another person in the bin while loading a DSH-8 or B1900, I hope I don't catch a social disease. Not to mention, the other guy passed-out in the bin recovering from a drunken hangover from an all-nighter, but don't worry, he has breathe mints and an union which will fight for his job.

You are so right, I never mentioned management in any of my bashings as this proves:
"... we will continue to suck so long as we have an indifferent management..."
"I hold management and the union responsible for their inability to increase productivity."
"...it might actually free me up from the nonsense of the so-called 'managers' in this organization."
"Hey, look I am no great fan in Parker..."
"...I tire of Parker's game in refusing to unilaterally create pay parity."

In addition, of course, "all" rampers are poor excuses for workers, if you mean "all" of them are drunk and lazy... which of course, I never said that, but you will just follow "Mein Kampf" and the "Big Lie" theory of saying the most outlandish statements for which no one would really distort the truth that much just to make a point... would you? And just be sure to repeat it often enough and incorporate just a small grain of truth to the story to give it some creditability, okay? In the final analysis all we have is our word and our reputation because sometimes we need to be sincere even if we need to fake it, right?

So Jeers Jester :down:

Like I said before you need help. I'd bet money, you hate our mother too.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
that guy jester reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with Jimmy . HE loves to hear himself talk and loves the third person thing.

for all the loyal PHX brothers/sisters out there be careful working with this cat. He seems very unstable. I believe he said he sleeps

on the couch in the bagroom . And Tim to think the east boys/girls are lazy. GO figure.



So says the O-man with the funny nose..


funny . .. someones wife didn't think it looked so FUNNY..

His self proclaimed bigotry and anger towards certain types of rampers and his other character traits and language are those of management and your current AGC's. Mark him.

It's profane to the ramp family [east and west] for such utterance against rampers. The problem isn't rampers but the disrespect management has shown to the human beings who work for your company. People are people, and southwest rampers arent' superior to US AIRWAYS rampers. Google TWU 555 and you will see all the delays over at Southwest. More importantly, even though Southwest rampers are making $24hr, check out their opening statement from real negotiators which are asking for even more benefits and more wages. Unlike Benedict Canale who tries to beat fleet service down by saying 'the environment has changed' and talking about $100 oil. The environment has changed, it's not a stormy bankrupt environment but it is sunny and 70.

As aside, based on Canale, it's hard to say anything is being negotiated like the fleet service mandate intended. I fully believe that fleet service needs to get ready for a battle. I know fleet has some battle scars and wounds but the company, with Benedict Canale on its side are coming to the fortress to take the transition. The only thing that can stop that is our continued unity and we must have shields on and swords held high. Must not let the company take the transition unless a fair and equitable contract can be achieved. Fleet service must hold its position and not retreat until that happens. The company and Benedict Canale have seriously underestimated Fleet service's resolve so the troops must rally for a battle that may ensue quickly.

For Fleet service!

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487 Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
that guy jester reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with Jimmy . HE loves to hear himself talk and loves the third person thing.

for all the loyal PHX brothers/sisters out there be careful working with this cat. He seems very unstable. I believe he said he sleeps

on the couch in the bagroom . And Tim to think the east boys/girls are lazy. GO figure.



So says the O-man with the funny nose..


funny . .. someones wife didn't think it looked so FUNNY..

O man,
Although this is getting ahead of ourselves, find out when BW, the local prez in CLT is up for election. We have to molibilize against him since he is not a 'team player'. My understanding is that he has fully supported the previous grievance committee being off the clock for union business till mid February. CLT workers should be pissed that your local prez would support your dues money being spent on keeping the previous committee off the clock and on union business. The political answer might be that your management has agreed to flip the bill for this but the bottom line is that management doesn't spend squat on it....it comes from members pockets in some fashion.

Another thing is that you guys will need to make a motion to change meeting times from 12 noon, which is biased towards the 3rd shift mechanics. Fleet outnumbers mechanics and the fact that fleet has now mobilized indicates that you can take full charge of your local if M &R personnel like BW continue to do things in 'poor taste'. If BW cleans things up and shows respect then he keeps his office, otherwise he loses it.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487, Chicago

 

[700UW]

They were not paid with dues money, they were paid by the company.

A Motion cant change the bylaws, it would be ruled out of order.

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

They were not paid with dues money, they were paid by the company.

Isn’t this a "conflict of interest"?