what i have read from their agreement with the twu. was that afw was gone and basically tulsa will be in 2 years after a merger. well they said they would only gurantee the jobs at tulsa for two years.
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Also heard several people say they heard on the news the Fort Worth is telling AA, you eather keep all of the base or none of the base, putting the TAESL building in trouble. Ive searched the web but can not find any mention of this, anyone hear this? It makes sence, how could Fort Worth lease or sell AFW without the whole base being included? TAESL, Structures and CMS would need to be included, i would think!
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We've heard the all or nothing RUMOR about AFW all summer. I have seen nothing official either way.
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As the union has been telling me for decades....."Half a loaf is better than no loaf."
That all depends on what the loaf is made of.
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Let's see how funny it is when the layoffs start.
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If they start.
In the four years of negotiations they repeatedly announced layoffs in maint that didnt materialize, they added heads.
When I came into this industry I understood that what little security you could expect would be from having a lot of seniority, building up your own savings and choosing to work in a location where the carrier would more than likely maintain operations. That we should always focus on compensation, which is real, and not on promises which dissapear if the company dissapears which has always been a possibility in this industry-even prior to deregulation. The only reason why I'm at AA is because they called first, I stayed because I got hired at a time where the airline had not hired in a long time and I moved up the seniority list quickly. But I always knew there were no guarantees, thats why even when things were better most of us kept something going on the side.
Will there be a reduction in headcount? Most likely, how much of that will be from layoffs remains to be seen. Other than the widebodies is it really cost effective to outsource if those jobs help you put in concessionary deals across an entire contract group?
As I've said before AA has supposedly been telling kids in A&P schools that they would be hiring by the time they graduate. Well if theres a big recall list that isnt likely to happen.The fact remains that the supply of A&Ps is not keeping up with the demand, the shortfall is being covered with overtime, which is why the FAA dropped changing the language on Duty Times. So in order to make up for lost wages we work more hours. The FAA, for their part dumped all the responsibility on the mechanic as far as not working exhausted, but put nothing in place to punish employers who force in short turn times between shifts, low wages and no real program for dealing with problems with working shifts, especially nights. So the FAA will tell mechanics its their responsibility to make sure they are well rested but allow companies to force mechanics to work where they arent likely to get more than 4 hours sleep between shifts.
With this agreement we are responsible for destroying whats left of this profession as a career choice. As an A&P, which I am first and foremost, since I was 18, the best thing that could happen for the profession would be for AA to liquidate before our peers get too deeply into negotiations, of course as an employee that would be disruptive, but perhaps in the long run even AA A&Ps would be better off if AA were to liquidate. EALs liquidation had a positive effect on mechanics wages two decades ago, if AA were to fail with their plan based on super low mechanics wages it would likely have the same effect.
If there is a big layoff, sure in the here and now it will cause hardship, but over the long run it may be a blessing, especially if A&P mechanics across the country are fortunate enough to see AA liquidate before our existance hurts their chances to recover some of what was lost in the post 9-11 recession.
So let the rumors fly, if you are young enough you should prepare to move on whether you get hit by a RIF or not. If you leave the industry then what happens at AA doesn't matter, but if you remain an Airline Mechanic what we have done here will haunt you wherever you go, especially if AA merges with USAIR and creates a mega carrier with super low mechanics wages.
Señor Owens tu hablas mucha mierda!!!
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What a ridiculous, self serving, arrogant statement. So BOB OWENS wants AA to liquidate so he could say "I told you so."
So let AA liquidate and put tens of thousands of people out of work. BRAVO, BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHATTA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Truly amazing that you could care less about thousands upon thousands of people losing their jobs JUST SO IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR OUR PEERS!
Guess what, BOB! All the people YOU wish ILL will on by wanting liquidation......Where are they all going to work, BOB? The workforce is older now and if airlines had to pick between a 50 and 60 year olds and 20-30 year olds...GUESS WHO THEY ARE MOST LIKELY TO CHOOSE, BOB?
I heard Fed EX at EWR needs TWO MECHANICS, BOB! Should the 350 AA mechanics apply, Bob??????????????
You've outdid yourself with this statement. You are a dreamer stuck in the decades past where unions were strong.
Do us all a favor and get a job elsewhere yourself.
Translation: señor Owens habla mucha mierda!!!!
You are a management suckass trying to spin what I wrote.
If AA were to liquidate the other carriers would expand and pick up the capacity just like when Pan Am went away and when EAL went away. Back then there was a lot more excess capacity than there is now. Even then, when this was a better paying job there weren't that many 20 and 30 year olds looking for a job in the airlines, AA was hiring guys who were in their 60s. Why did AA hire 60 year old guys? Experience, demand and scarcity. AA needed to ramp up operations and they needed workers with experience.
Would the profession have been better off if EAL had survived with $10/hr mechanics driving down the wages at all the other carriers? It sucked for the EAL guys, what really sucked was the way they were treated when they got to AA but what they did helped stem the rapid decline in wages that would have occured had EAL survived under Lorenzo's plan. No doubt the EAL guys took a hit, but where they better off in the long run? I would argue yes, and so were we, until now.
I'm talking about the profession here, not just you in your little world.
You chose this as your profession, would you recommend it to your kids?
The answer says it all. Your attitude helped make it this way.
Who is being "self serving" here the guy who is OK with lowering and degrading the profession or the one who admits how much damage we are doing to the profession?
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The workforce is older now and if airlines had to pick between a 50 and 60 year olds and 20-30 year olds...GUESS WHO THEY ARE MOST LIKELY TO CHOOSE, BOB?
They most certainly will snag an AMT with 25yrs experience over a tech school grad every time!!
They most certainly will snag an AMT with 25yrs experience over a tech school grad every time!!
