Mechanics Beware!

[whoop whoop]

Where did I ever say it was wrong for them to strike?

It was wrong for them to be outsmarted by NW, have no strike fund, not let the members vote on the final offer and to alienate all the other unions on the property, their own sister union the PFAA didn't even honor the picket line.

SCABS!!!!!!!

Why haven't you answered my one measly question? Because if you answer it honestly, it would prove your beloved union are SCABS. Just like the ibt and twu. Industrial SCABS.

SCABS!!!!!
SCABS!!!!!!!SCABS!!!!!!!SCABS!!!!!!!SCABS!!!!!!!SCABS!!!!!!!

You people are worse than any white collar, empty suite criminal I have ever seen. At least with the company, we know they are out to get us.

 

[Buck]

Where did I ever say it was wrong for them to strike?

It was wrong for them to be outsmarted by NW, have no strike fund, not let the members vote on the final offer and to alienate all the other unions on the property, their own sister union the PFAA didnt even honor the picket line.

Wow, this has really heated up.

If it was wrong for them to be outsmarted by NW, then has it been wrong for the TWU to be outsmarted by AA for 30+ years?

 

[700UW]

I worked at US, I never crossed a picket line, I helped run our strike, I was an IAM Member and I was never a scab.

Ok since the TWU scabbed at NW then using your logic, your a scab too then.

 

[whoop whoop]

I worked at US, I never crossed a picket line, I helped run our strike, I was an IAM Member and I was never a scab.

Ok since the TWU scabbed at NW then using your logic, your a scab too then.

I think you need some remedial reading comprehension classes. Nobody ever said YOU are a SCAB, it's the organization that you so openly and proudly support that are SCABS, and are helping corporations destroy unionism and the middle class of America.

 

[Bob Owens]

Where did I ever say it was wrong for them to strike?

It was wrong for them to be outsmarted by NW, have no strike fund, not let the members vote on the final offer and to alienate all the other unions on the property, their own sister union the PFAA didnt even honor the picket line.

What was sickening is the obvious pleasure that some like you take in citing and distorting what in the end was a defeat for labor, AFL-CIO affiliated or not. Some Unions such as the UAW saw it differently, the IAM and others, due to the fact that they have become pure business unions, that exist primarily for the benefit of the people running it instead of the people (mechanics, stock clerks, baggage handlers , etc) funding it still do not.

You say that AMFA made the mistake of alienating the other unions, well from what I've seen, read and heard over the years AMFA's existance is what causes alienation. There is such contempt for AMFA that no other excuse is needed.Yes there has been a lot of stuff that came out during organization drives that was unwarranted and derogatory towards other workers but often that was through persons acting independantly. Such things were wrong. You and others need to get over it and realize that the real enemy is the company and those that serve their interests at our expense. If you are willing to tolerate the pilots having their own union, the flight attendants having their own union and form alliances with them then why is it wrong for mechanics? Unions may battle amongst themselves but they should never ever committ treason and help a company defeat another union because such a defeat is a defeat for all of labor, not just the Union that lost.

 

[Buck]

I worked at US, I never crossed a picket line, I helped run our strike, I was an IAM Member and I was never a scab.

Ok since the TWU scabbed at NW then using your logic, your a scab too then.

I never said any TWU members were SCABS. My logic said that if a union was ran over by a company at one place then the same principle applies with the TWU, they have been ran over for 30+ years. I do not believe I personally know any TWU SCABS, at TUL.

 

[blue collar]

Where did I ever say it was wrong for them to strike?

It was wrong for them to be outsmarted by NW, have no strike fund, not let the members vote on the final offer and to alienate all the other unions on the property, their own sister union the PFAA didnt even honor the picket line.

Do you think the last offer would have passed? They voted to strike... I think that goes to show that the last offer would have been voted down.

Why are you not addressing that the IAM CBA had language to not cross a legal picket line? Does your hatred for AMFA blind you so much to think that crossing a picket line is something a union does? Rather than trying to explain the despicable actions of the IAM, you deflect by saying the FAs didn't honor it either. Shame on them too.

How would the IAM have dealt with the situation that NWA put the mechanics in? Would it be something like this?
http://old.post-gazette.com/businessnews/20020913usair0913bnp3.asp

 

[Bob Owens]

How would the IAM have dealt with the situation that NWA put the mechanics in? Would it be something like this?
http://old.post-gazette.com/businessnews/20020913usair0913bnp3.asp

Well we saw how the old IAM did at EAL twelve years earlier. They too were presented with a no win situation and they did the honorable thing, they fought. The mechanics at EAL fared the same as those from NWA, they fought, the airline no longer exists and they moved on with pride. As a whole airline workers benefitted from the standoff at EAL. The unions saw it as a victory, capitalized on it and workers pay rebounded slightly however with NWA since all the other unions were so willing to cave in and give concessions the unions that gave didnt want to look bad, they would rather see the mechanics get screwed than have to explain why they didnt encourage their members to fight. The last great labor Victory was Ron Carey, from the IBT and we see what happened to him. Sad, so sad.

 

[blue collar]

Well we saw how the old IAM did at EAL twelve years earlier. They too were presented with a no win situation and they did the honorable thing, they fought. The mechanics at EAL fared the same as those from NWA, they fought, the airline no longer exists and they moved on with pride.

Yes, and that same old IAM wouldn't have crossed the picket line at NWA.

 

[Bob Owens]

Yes, and that same old IAM wouldn't have crossed the picket line at NWA.

Another victim of "Business Unionism". While Industrial Unionists and Craft Unionists battle each other its the "Business unionists" who are cutting deals with employers that lower wages and eliminates benefits that are destroying whats left of the labor movement.

 

[TWU informer]

Another victim of "Business Unionism". While Industrial Unionists and Craft Unionists battle each other its the "Business unionists" who are cutting deals with employers that lower wages and eliminates benefits that are destroying whats left of the labor movement.

Business Unionism is a direct result of the seperation of the craft or class that has been present in the Industrial Union representation for over 60 years now.

Get all Mechanics into one craft union and you should see that business unionism dissappear.
The business unionism is coming from corporations comparing us against each other at every negotiations.

 

[700UW]

Lets see here, the IAM went on strike in 92 at US Air, yet the TWU dispatchers went to work across our picket lines, as did the TWU dispatchers at NW.

So your organization that your a member is no different than the IAM using your line of thinking.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Did they perform the duties of the people who went on strike? That is what your IAM did at NWA.

 

[700UW]

Did Fleet all ready perform that work?

Was the language removed from the imposed CBA?

And explain how receipt and dispatch and ancillary duties at 30 stations or so, made the strike successful and broke AMFA at NW?

 

[whoop whoop]

I have one question for you. Did the rampers perform receive & dispatch at stations that were sufficiently manned by mechanics?

Hey 700, why don't you want to answer this question?