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New East A320 configuration.

The 321's are not transcon aircraft and should not be used as such. The 75's should be used for that. What is up with only 8 seats in the east 75's???
 
In 11 years I have never had a to stop on an Airbus for fuel! Sounds like the seat configuration is costing more than they planned. What worked for the West doesn't work for the East. Sorry.


ALSO, we never would put the 320 on west coast flights. They would be the 319 or 319, but rarely a 320. Im up to PHL today on the 320...dreading it.
 
Another point to consider is Seat Pitch.
The now reconfigured pitch in F/C is now a whopping 35" or 36" depending on whose info you read.

sky high states: And, how about the beloved EMERGENCY EXIT ROW? Gone is the few extra inches of legroom! Had a female pax comment the other day, "My God, how can you evacuate with such little room here anymore?....I'm writing the FAA and US on this misguided decision."
I smiled.


only stating opinions.
 
Make sure you give her the correct web address. Time to stand up as customers and employees.

SKY HIGH STATES: She fired her letter off on her computer. In the back of the aircraft, she commented that even writing that letter on her computer was almost impossible. She couldnt fold her screen UP because the man in front of her had his seat back.


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An Exit row that does not allow for a swift exit only benefits the company as workers and customers who are stuck inside the A/C . You have to be alive for that. I'm sure that exit row is legally wide enough. BUT is it realisticly wide enough?

sky high states: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt the exit row made WIDER after the USAir LAX crash, where people died in the aisle "waiting" to evacuate from the overwing exits.




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Was America West even in business back then?!

Maybe someone should show them photos of that particular plane crash -- may make them rethink cramming so many passengers in a plane before considering evacuations.

I believe there was a charter plane crash (European) where people also died while trying to evacuate - and it was mainly because of the AMOUNT of passengers they had to evacuate that they just simply ran out of time & useable exits.

(this is one reason why I try to always be near a door when I fly... I NEVER fly Mid-Section.. EVER!)
 
Was America West even in business back then?!

Maybe someone should show them photos of that particular plane crash -- may make them rethink cramming so many passengers in a plane before considering evacuations.

I believe there was a charter plane crash (European) where people also died while trying to evacuate - and it was mainly because of the AMOUNT of passengers they had to evacuate that they just simply ran out of time & useable exits.

(this is one reason why I try to always be near a door when I fly... I NEVER fly Mid-Section.. EVER!)


That particular incident was a British Airtours 737-200 that was packed to the gills. Upwards of 150 people packed in. Unfortunately when the pilot turned off the runway, he turned the starboard damaged engine side into the wind, blowing the smoke and fire towards the aircraft instead of away.

As for the LAX crash, IIRC, all of the left side exits were inop, and many of the people found in the aisle waiting to get out the starboard overwing exit had been sitting very close to the rear. It was after this that they started emphasizing that the neares usable exit might be behind you.
 
There are two ways to meet the requirements for access to overwing exits. If there is one access path to the exit from the aisle, it has to be at least 20" wide. Alternatively, two access paths can be provided from the aisle with each being at least 6" wide.

US chose single path and used increased exit row seat pitch to achieve the necessary access path width. HP chose two paths and doesn't install a window seat at the exit to provide the 2 paths from the aisle. Of course, with the dual-path approach, normal seat pitch provides the necessary access path width.

Jim
 
sky high states: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt the exit row made WIDER after the USAir LAX crash, where people died in the aisle "waiting" to evacuate from the overwing exits.
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The 320 exits ARE wide enough as are the 319, which took out the windows seats at row 9 for that pupose. Believe me, the FAA is on every move this industry makes.

As far a the LAX crash? This was a 737-300 on arrival from DAY. The LAX ATC cleared USAir to clear for landed and cleared a Delta commuter to take off. The 737 landed on the commuter plane and the 737 eventually slammed into an unused building. There ended up being 2 clear exits available to use...2R and the right overwing exit, 1R finally was opened with few escapes.

At the time, the F/A's had secondary exit responsibilities. Because 1L was blocked, the A f/a went to the secondary exits, which were the window exits. What was emcountered was arguing on HOW to open the window. Because of the crowd at the window, and many not realizing they could use the door in the back, time became important and most died from smoke inhalation, including the A f/a, Dea Bethea. IF there was any waiting, it was because the chaos prevented any proper communication. Also, it was difficult to shout commands as the smoke was so intense that just breathing was difficult.

One of the conclusions to the crash was that many at the window exits did NOT know or take TIME to review how to operated the window exits. Because of that, pictures were put up at the window exits explaining the operation, the F/A's were required to brief the exit rows, and yess, the row in front suffered to give more room.

In the future, US Airways stopped the secondary exit approached and expressed to the f/as not to endanger their lives.

The entire accident was so unfortunate and it is a miracle anyone survived considering the intene fire from the burning a/c below.

Over time, the window exits became favorites to the more knowledgeable ff and US eventually stopped the briefing...BUT it will come back on one certificate as the new AWA...I mean US Airways thinks it should be done and hell...we've pissed the ff off enough so far. Why not just keep on keeping on . <_<
 
I was on a 320 today, luckily not converted. Hopefully they came to there senses and stopped the assimilation.
 
Because 1L was blocked, the A f/a went to the secondary exits, which were the window exits. What was emcountered was arguing on HOW to open the window. Because of the crowd at the window, and many not realizing they could use the door in the back, time became important and most died from smoke inhalation, including the A f/a, Dea Bethea. IF there was any waiting, it was because the chaos prevented any proper communication. Also, it was difficult to shout commands as the smoke was so intense that just breathing was difficult.

One of the conclusions to the crash was that many at the window exits did NOT know or take TIME to review how to operated the window exits. Because of that, pictures were put up at the window exits explaining the operation, the F/A's were required to brief the exit rows, and yess, the row in front suffered to give more room.
<_<


A friend of mine was on the flight, coming from a college tour of the East Coast. The woman sitting at the window exit froze, and he had to hit and slap her a few times to get her to move. He finally opened the exit.
 
The woman sitting at the window exit froze, and he had to hit and slap her a few times to get her to move. He finally opened the exit.
I do this a lot to those who move to slowly in the last few rows when I'm trying to clean and get off the plane. :lol:
 

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