OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

The ninth circuit told you no DOH.

I missed that. Can you quote it?

 

[cleardirect]

700UW provided me with this link and it is a good review of what happened:

http://old.post-gaze...2/508153-28.stm

He also said we were working with GECAS and the ATSB on loans we already had. Then there was Air Wisconsin:

http://news.airwise....1109621176.html


February 28, 2005

A federal bankruptcy court on Monday approved plans by Air Wisconsin to invest USD$125 million in US Airways Group, US Airways said on Monday.
The stake by Air Wisconsin's financing arm is structured as a debtor-in-possession (DIP) loan. It represents half of what US Airways is seeking in cash to exit bankruptcy by June 30.





You never answered my question, you just got heated by it and told me to go read MY contract. Did AWA have a DC plan or a matching 401k plan? Up until the merger I was told that you guys had to first fund you 401k and AWA would MATCH up to 10%. With the merger

Darn! If only Nicolau had had that article at the time. He would not have to spend 10 days listening to testimony under oath about what actually happened.

Does that article have anything to do with the fact that 1700 east pilots were furloughed? If US Airways was in such great shape why so many furloughed pilots? Why did the investment banker at the BPR meeting tell the potential client that there was no money, no credit, no plan for Us Airways to come out of BK? June 30th came and went and Us Airways still not have the money.

Watch the last crew news from CLT the pension part.

Parker said when we acquired US Airways.

US Airways was not going to make it to the end of 2005. So there is no way un merged that US Airways was going to recall any furloughed pilot in 2006 or 2007.

We followed the process, an arbitrator ruled. End of story. Kick, scream complain, throw yourselves on the floor in a tantrum. Not going to change the facts. It is not going to be DOH. Anything other than Nicolau gets the company, usapa and if they are involved the APA sued.

 

[Pi brat]

Darn! If only Nicolau had had that article at the time. He would not have to spend 10 days listening to testimony under oath about what actually happened.

Does that article have anything to do with the fact that 1700 east pilots were furloughed? If US Airways was in such great shape why so many furloughed pilots? Why did the investment banker at the BPR meeting tell the potential client that there was no money, no credit, no plan for Us Airways to come out of BK? June 30th came and went and Us Airways still not have the money.

Watch the last crew news from CLT the pension part.

Parker said when we acquired US Airways.

US Airways was not going to make it to the end of 2005. So there is no way un merged that US Airways was going to recall any furloughed pilot in 2006 or 2007.

We followed the process, an arbitrator ruled. End of story. Kick, scream complain, throw yourselves on the floor in a tantrum. Not going to change the facts. It is not going to be DOH. Anything other than Nicolau gets the company, usapa and if they are involved the APA sued.

You really get angry when I question you, don't you? Why? Why not just answer the question posed with out going out through the weeds?

 

[traderjake]

Try to let go, the NIC is dead never to return, you living in the past.

The NIC is the seniority list per the contract until it is replaced by another seniority list in a ratified contract, if the courts allow the replacement list..

The NIC is far from dead.

 

[Pi brat]

Clear? Cleardirect, where are you?

 

[mrbreeze]

Clear? Cleardirect, where are you?

Out in the weeds....brewing up another of his spins. Give him some time, this is a tough one for him. 🙂

breeze

 

[Pi brat]

Out in the weeds....brewing up another of his spins. Give him some time, this is a tough one for him. 🙂

breeze

I know, I try to take it easy on him, but when he acts a certain way I can't help it. He can't even answer a simple question like did they have a 10% contribution prior to the merger, or was it a match or what?

BTW, saw you in PHL the other day but my mind was on something else and I didn't put it together until I was down the concourse. Sorry about that.

 

[Pi brat]

US Airways was not going to make it to the end of 2005. So there is no way un merged that US Airways was going to recall any furloughed pilot in 2006 or 2007.

You give me the date that US Airways filed CH 7 and suspended operations, and then I will leave you alone.

 

[Pi brat]

"When that failed, Lakefield took the company into bankruptcy again and squeezed another $1 billion in concessions from the unions, using the power of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to hammer home new contracts modeled after America West's labor agreements."

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[mrbreeze]

I know, I try to take it easy on him, but when he acts a certain way I can't help it. He can't even answer a simple question like did they have a 10% contribution prior to the merger, or was it a match or what?

BTW, saw you in PHL the other day but my mind was on something else and I didn't put it together until I was down the concourse. Sorry about that.

np.....concourses are like bus terminals......ya, know....gotta run.
take care

 

[nic4us]

I'm no lawyer Claxon, but that actually looks like the company just wants to make sure the Judge's ruling applies to ALL WEST PILOTS. That actually doesn't look good to me for them, but again I guessing.

"the judgment does not describe the class bound by
the judgment, as required by Rule 23©(3)."

"The Court’s intent here was clear – to have its judgment bind the West Pilots class.
(See, e.g., Doc. No. 193 at 1 n.1 (“The West Pilot Defendants are Don Addington, John
Bostic, Mark Burman, Afshin Iranpour, Roger Velez, and Steve Wargocki, on behalf of
themselves and the certified West Pilot Class.&rdquo😉.) Accordingly, it is appropriate for the
judgment to be corrected pursuant to Rule 60(a) to conform to the technical requirements
for class-action judgments."

I do not know what to make of this...still thinking it through, but two things come to mind.

1. The West is only a class for the DJ.
2. The DJ did not grant immunity to the company from the West class.

I think it is probably the company making sure the West class no longer has class status, and that any future lawsuit would required getting granted another class status.

 

[nic4us]

This should be obvious to ALL Usair pilots, it only hurts us all.

I would think the NMB could also see this ploy as bogus.
breeze

The NMB finding a bogus ploy??

Now you are really reaching Breeze...

If the NMB could detect a bogus ploy and do anything about it,,the scab union would have never been certified.

hhhmmmm.....maybe you are on to something, and that is why the fake union is parked.

 

[Move2CLT]

Kero,

Your post is spot on. The west endless critiques of East C & R just don"t hold water.
Note they think totally acceptable for AA to impose them, but irrational of East to even negotiate them.
Greedy pigs often get STUCK!

FA

And you guys have been stuck.

Nic is it. NO C&Rs.

Get over it.

 

[Move2CLT]

Out in the weeds....brewing up another of his spins. Give him some time, this is a tough one for him. 🙂

breeze

In the mean time, we can read your crap.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Darn! If only Nicolau had had that article at the time. He would not have to spend 10 days listening to testimony under oath about what actually happened.

Does that article have anything to do with the fact that 1700 east pilots were furloughed? If US Airways was in such great shape why so many furloughed pilots? Why did the investment banker at the BPR meeting tell the potential client that there was no money, no credit, no plan for Us Airways to come out of BK? June 30th came and went and Us Airways still not have the money.

Watch the last crew news from CLT the pension part.

Parker said when we acquired US Airways.

US Airways was not going to make it to the end of 2005. So there is no way un merged that US Airways was going to recall any furloughed pilot in 2006 or 2007.

We followed the process, an arbitrator ruled. End of story. Kick, scream complain, throw yourselves on the floor in a tantrum. Not going to change the facts. It is not going to be DOH. Anything other than Nicolau gets the company, usapa and if they are involved the APA sued.

The entitlement east hates, just hates to hear that AWA bought them. And they really hate that they have managed record profits since then...even with the union slugs that gum up the works in PHL. Every time they underestimate Parker, they lose more and more.