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OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Just in case any East pilots haven't read, specifically, exactly what the West AOL supporters demands are, they are posted below. Interesting reading! Anybody who thinks these guys are going to be willing to "modify" the NIC to reach an East-West majority consensus, to go in to an AMR merger with, are engaging in "wishful thinking". They have way too much time, effort, money and "ego" invested in playing this out to the end; As does the East. By the way, I could be wrong, but wasn't the original "Army of Leonidas" wiped out to the man?


seajay


Leonidas LLC Objectives

We, the former pilots of America West Airlines, hereby declare the following:

1. We fully demand all of our legal rights, in their entirety, within the new US Airways, or any successor airline.
2. We require full, good faith compliance with our existing contract, the Transition Agreement and ALPA merger policy from all parties.
3. We will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA, the East MEC, ALPA National, or the Company.
4. We will aggressively seek any and all available legal remedies against any party which might seek to dilute our rights.
5. We will not tolerate discrimination against the pilots of America West in any form, including the dilution of the Nicolau Award by any means, contractual or otherwise.
6. We will not engage in fruitless debates over matters already settled.
7. We will remain perpetually poised to aggressively defend our rights until such time when we are no longer threatened.

Quite adamant... And there are people who are still adamant that the South will rise again.

There is never a shortage of people that want special priviledges at the expense of the majority.
 
Just in case any East pilots haven't read, specifically, exactly what the West AOL supporters demands are, they are posted below. Interesting reading! Anybody who thinks these guys are going to be willing to "modify" the NIC to reach an East-West majority consensus, to go in to an AMR merger with, are engaging in "wishful thinking". They have way too much time, effort, money and "ego" invested in playing this out to the end; As does the East. By the way, I could be wrong, but wasn't the original "Army of Leonidas" wiped out to the man?


seajay


Leonidas LLC Objectives

We, the former pilots of America West Airlines, hereby declare the following:

1. We fully demand all of our legal rights, in their entirety, within the new US Airways, or any successor airline.
2. We require full, good faith compliance with our existing contract, the Transition Agreement and ALPA merger policy from all parties.
3. We will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA, the East MEC, ALPA National, or the Company.
4. We will aggressively seek any and all available legal remedies against any party which might seek to dilute our rights.
5. We will not tolerate discrimination against the pilots of America West in any form, including the dilution of the Nicolau Award by any means, contractual or otherwise.
6. We will not engage in fruitless debates over matters already settled.
7. We will remain perpetually poised to aggressively defend our rights until such time when we are no longer threatened.

It's no wonder that they can't see past their own objective.....too bad, they will lose in the end.

breeze
 
I want to explain....I am not totally for DOH, but I have to stand up against the NIC. Most of my posts have been only against having the NIC shoved up our 6's. I truely hope we can reach some middle ground.....and don't give me that BS that the NIC is middle ground.
breeze
 
I want to explain....I am not totally for DOH, but I have to stand up against the NIC. Most of my posts have been only against having the NIC shoved up our 6's. I truely hope we can reach some middle ground.....and don't give me that BS that the NIC is middle ground.
breeze

Well said Breeze...
 
Round and round we go......where we stop, only Silver knows.....
 

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I want to explain....I am not totally for DOH, but I have to stand up against the NIC. Most of my posts have been only against having the NIC shoved up our 6's. I truely hope we can reach some middle ground.....and don't give me that BS that the NIC is middle ground.
breeze

You're not for DOH but your union is.

What are you to do?
 
I want to explain....I am not totally for DOH, but I have to stand up against the NIC. Most of my posts have been only against having the NIC shoved up our 6's. I truely hope we can reach some middle ground.....and don't give me that BS that the NIC is middle ground.
breeze

The Nic isn't the middle ground breezy, its the ONLY ground. Compromise ended long ago when you guys pushed away from the table to go all in on DOH.

Or did you forget that?
 
The Nic isn't the middle ground breezy, its the ONLY ground. Compromise ended long ago when you guys pushed away from the table to go all in on DOH.

Or did you forget that?

LOL.....

I just signed on to make a neutral, honest, middle ground respond to you previous post. But no, before I could respond, you make another nasty comment and you're not interested......disregard you greedy bastard.

Folks...that's just the way it's gonna be, unfortunately.
breeze
 
The Nic isn't the middle ground breezy, its the ONLY ground. Compromise ended long ago when you guys pushed away from the table to go all in on DOH.

Or did you forget that?

I will be the first to agree when the East was told by the arbitrator making the list that DOH wouldn't fly, and then they came back with DOH or nothing again... wtf were they thinking??

But aren't you guys doing the exact same thing? You are saying NIC or nothing. You are being told in court that the NIC may not happen. And all you come back with, or go all in with, is NIC or nothing... Don't you think another "wtf" is in order??
 
Halfway?

I have not talked to one west pilots willing to move at all.

Funny because I don't know that many westies and I've talked to 3 that are, all captains though. I'm thinking your captains just don't want to hear you whine for the whole trip.
 
I think I gave a quote from him earlier than that, Ill check when I get home.

Funny how you take him at his word when it favors you and blow him off when it doesn't. With all the history we've seen do you really think AWA would have come through unscathed? If so you're nuts.

Certainly unscathed, with a completed merger with Delta as well. Being chained to you idiots has certainly cost us plenty.
 
LOL.....

I just signed on to make a neutral, honest, middle ground respond to you previous post. But no, before I could respond, you make another nasty comment and you're not interested......disregard you greedy bastard.

Folks...that's just the way it's gonna be, unfortunately.
breeze

Yep. That's the way it's gonna be. You fools didn't honor your agreement and we "greedy bastards" aren't about to let you get away with it. Tough ####.
 
Certainly unscathed, with a completed merger with Delta as well. Being chained to you idiots has certainly cost us plenty.

God you are an idiot. No, I'm serious. Of all the posters on here I think you are the stupidest.
 
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