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OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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People who are now voluntarily on furlough should be ahead of pilots who were never furloughed before. It makes perfect sense.

Indeed. The saddest and most treatment-resistent cases in lunatic asylums couldn't generally even begin to make such stuff up....
 
Oh, he was looking alright. There just isn't any from you or your buds. All or nothing, take no prisoners, give me the NIC or else. That about sums it up I guess.

Driver...

Pretty much...but it is not give me the Nic or else....

It is more like willingly accept the Nic, and make minor restitution....or be force fed the Nic with the penalties of forming a rogue union that has failed its DFR.

How much were the TWA pilots awarded from ALPA? Better yet, and what will be a huge question is,,,,do certain founding individuals hold any personal liability for conducting fraudulent practices when promoting a representational election?

If I were Bradford et al....I would be pushing hard for Nic implementation.
 
... and make minor restitution....

Whew! Just when I'd thought I'd already seen the highest imaginable, apogee point for even the wildest-even-possible entitlement fantasies!....truly....words just fail to serve here....

"...or be force fed the Nic.." Umm...yeah....no doubt...anything you say nic....

"If I were Bradford et al....I would be pushing hard for Nic implementation" Well, by your laughably inconsistent "logic"; why should they even think about it at all?...Given that the nic will unquestionably be "force fed" anyway...? 😉

"How much were the TWA pilots awarded from ALPA?" Gasp!....You simply can NOT be even at all now suggesting that alpa could screw things up in any aspect of seniority matters? 🙂

Enough sorry chuckles for now, but I must honestly note that if what you generally post here accurately reflects the apparently random, squirming and slithering within the lately overheated little cauldron that apparently is your mind..then you do have my honest sympathy.

Take a breath, realize that this is just a labor squabble that will eventually end, and have some fun for a change! Life's too short....etc.
 
The SLI issue between East and West, in all likelihood, will be OBE (overtaken by events) if the merger with AMR occurs.

All this rhetoric regarding ANYTHING from the last seven years or so, will not matter. There is no East-West JCBA, which means the NIC will be dead, our TA will be OBE and therefore the East-West PID will not mean squat, with respect to an AMR merger.

None of any of this stuff matters, we never consummated our merger and in fact we have never really merged (at least with respect to the pilots). On what basis do we bid our monthly schedules, our vacations, our pay or our equipment and base bids? On our separate dates of hire, correct? As pilots, we operate as if there was NEVER a merger, we live with our separate DOH status, period! As it should be!

One of the few things I agree with Doug Parker on is that there will be a three way seniority integration. If he has his way, it will take a "long" time" to complete the process. The rest of the eventual JCBA with AMR is of much more interest to "Team Tempe" than how we divide up who is flying what. They really do not care and have told all of us so, on many occasions.

It will be, what it will be and none of us will really have anything to say about the matter at the end of the day. I saw the same thing at Eastern, as riotous as one's position may be, it does not trump the desires of the "big money", if the powers at be want this merger, it will happen and our little SLI "pissing contest" wont mean squat! Outside of saving the company "lots" of money!


seajay

Overtaken by events...maybe..but,,

Threeway...highly unlikely....how does the West get seperate representation fom usapa, and if the West has seperate rep...is usapa then guilty at that point of not representing the West? Further, what if say DCA then demands sepereate reps, to protect their intereset, and the TWA pilots sue to get seperate repst to look out for their interest? A 3 way causes huge problems.

So, the overtaking will mean Nic and the AMR list combined in a "fair and equitable manner" as per AM and MB.


Also, I am sure you were right about fencing and the AMR 777 captain, the point was that DOH is an absolute no go in an LCC/AMR merger (fencing included) and east poster's BS about the legitimacy of DOH at LCC an in regard to the ramifications of the nic are just that BS.
 
Whew! Just when I'd thought I'd already seen the highest imaginable, apogee point for even the wildest-even-possible entitlement fantasies!....truly....words just fail to serve here....

"...or be force fed the Nic.." Umm...yeah....no doubt...anything you say nic....

"If I were Bradford et al....I would be pushing hard for Nic implementation" Well, by your "logic"; why should they even think about it at all?...Given that the nic will unquestionably be "force fed" anyway...? 😉

They should be concerned because as dual unionist using ALPA resources to promote and found a new union that their legal counsel told them would be considered illegal, might just hold personal financial consequences, or worse.
 
They should be concerned because as dual unionist using ALPA resources to promote and found a new union that their legal counsel told them would be considered illegal, might just hold personal financial consequences, or worse.

Well...you had best get to suing them immediately then, if not sooner. Why haven't you done so?

Have the best day possible. 🙂
 
Oh, he was looking alright. There just isn't any from you or your buds. All or nothing, take no prisoners, give me the NIC or else. That about sums it up I guess.

Driver...
If the Nic was an illegitimate list, then there might be some rational basis for a do-over. Other than the subjective opinion of a windfall, or the admission that it's the only thing that will placate the majority enough to be ratified, why do you think the east should be permitted to jettison their responsibility to follow through with implementing the arbitrated award?

 
If the Nic was an illegitimate list, then there might be some rational basis for a do-over. Other than the subjective opinion of a windfall, or the admission that it's the only thing that will placate the majority enough to be ratified, why do you think the east should be permitted to jettison their responsibility to follow through with implementing the arbitrated award?

Because it blows?

Why do you keep telling the East to accept, embrace, and roll out the red carpet for the NIC? Is it because, in spite of the millions you've spent trying to force it, you have been unable to do so using every legal avenue available to you? It certainly appears that way.

We'll have to wait and see what USAPA puts up as an integration proposal knowing that it will have to be defended in court. Of course that also means the NIC has to be defended since that is the slide rule Marty will use to judge the other proposal by. You've lost the case of trying to impose it. Now you will have to see both integration methods on trial before a judge and jury. I'm sure that is exactly what you DON'T want, but that is where this is headed.

BTW, I am not in favor of either a do over or a three way at this point. It's gone on too long. Let's put two seniority methods on trial and see which one prevails.

Driver...
 
I don't whine for anything. I can be just as much as a hardass as you are, but it gets us nowhere. You keep your position to your own detriment, dumbass.

breeze

I will keep my position in hopes that it is to your detriment. That's the point. You fools always resort to namecalling when you know you're wrong. That's a tell.
 
What...are you snorting the Red Bull/cocaine mix again?

I remember now. You're the guy who used his daugher and her illness in some squabble a while ago. Now her innocent picture is your avatar when you post nonsense like this. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Pathetic.
 
Ames: "I get a kick out of hearing you fools whine for middle ground."

Ames: "Reasonable people would recognize when they are dead wrong."

One must just slowly and sadly shake his head in utter and complete amazement here.....

I think I saw you in Philly the other day. A rumpled, deranged looking old captain walking through the terminal shaking his head back and forth. No kidding.
 
Oh, he was looking alright. There just isn't any from you or your buds. All or nothing, take no prisoners, give me the NIC or else. That about sums it up I guess.

Driver...

Just like your all or nothing give me DOH or else. Tell me, oh wise one, just how we will ever find "middle ground" when DOH is clearly the centerpiece of your "union's" constitution and bylaws. To the easthole contingent middle ground is the west pilots rolling over and giving up. Thus, our "take no prisoners" mentality. We aren't giving up. Deal with it.
 
"...implemented as-is.." but yet somehow with ".. protections to offset the negatives of the Nic."...? Huh? Does that make any actual sense to anyone here?

Sure. Makes about as much sense of the easthole mantra of "conditions and restrictions".
 
While your "middle ground"..umm..."compromise" would place a 3 month, new-hire over a person with 17 years of unbroken service. I'd suggest that a wee bit more devoted research into the definition and philosophy of "middle ground" would prove beneficial for you.

The AWA 3 month new-hire was at the bottom 99% on our list. The east person with 17 years of unbroken service was the bottom guy on the US Airways list, bottom 100%.

So..... what's the issue here?

PS: currently the AWA guy is on the street and the US airways guy is a E190 captain. - - - but we AWA guys are stealing your jobs. Right!
 
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