OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

The FAs were somewhere around a 50 vote swing from having their JCBA in place today. If those 50 votes had been cast in favor of ratification rather than rejection of the TA would you have considered it a good faith offer then?

"Management here revels in labor discord and pathetic compensation, and hasn't the slightest real interest in completing any contracts at this time....unless they can do so essentially for free." Perhaps you missed the "essentially for free" part?

Take your "I love my best-friend-forever Doug!" and "I worship the ground management walks on!" cheerleader chants and worn out pom poms and get lost. Shouldn't you be off cheering for your "army" somewhere?...or even just helping out by feeding, brushing and grooming the "dire wolves"? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Ames: You should care because you eastholes are so certain you'll get your way by keeping us out.

By the time the house is finished I hope to be a 757 captain based in CLT.

That's all a bit morally disappointing, especially from a noble, west "knight"! Sigh!...So much for the nicsters only wanting the "jobs" they heroically and personally 'brought" to the "merger"......What a surprise...

So then: How many years of work here have you put in to EARN you that 757 seat out east? 😉 Shall we ever even discuss the concept of entitlement again? No? Didn't think so.

 

[CallawayGolf]

"Management here revels in labor discord and pathetic compensation, and hasn't the slightest real interest in completing any contracts at this time....unless they can do so essentially for free." Perhaps you missed the "essentially for free" part?

Take your "I love my best-friend-forever Doug!" and "I worship the ground management walks on!" cheerleader chants and worn out pom poms and get lost. Shouldn't you be off cheering for your "army" somewhere?...or even just helping out by feeding, brushing and grooming the "dire wolves"? 😉

How much was "essentially free" projected to cost the Company in the latest TA sent out for a vote? Was it $40M/$60M/$80M? How much is "essentially free" to you vs. a good faith offer? If the Company hasn't made a good faith offer then the AFA should have some legal recourse once that allegation is proven, right? Are they working on that?

 

[EastUS1]

If the Company hasn't made a good faith offer then the AFA should have some legal recourse once that allegation is proven, right?

Be serious, if at all possible. Lore has it that Manhatten Island was bought for beads. Was that also an offer made in "good faith"? It was apparently determined to be fully "legal" by those that gained.To whom would you suggest the FA's or any labor group turn to for some semblance of justice here? The NMB's track record of late hardly inspires real faith in any labor-friendly notions.

"If the Company hasn't made a good faith offer.." IF? Let's see now..record profits...a huge merger possibly looming that would obscenely enrich upper management..IF?...Thanks for the laughs. 😉

 

[CallawayGolf]

Be serious, if at all possible. Lore has it that Manhatten Island was bought for beads. Was that also an offer made in "good faith"? To whom would you suggest the FA's or any labor turn for any semblance of justice here? The NMB's tack record of late hardly inspires real faith in any labor-friendly notions.

Between us, which one is not being serious? Didn't USAPA allege in a federal court last year that the Company was not engaging in good faith negotiations? And what did the NY judge tell USAPA in regards to that claim?

You made the statement so how about you back it up?

 

[EastUS1]

Between us, which one is not being serious? Didn't USAPA allege in a federal court last year that the Company was not engaging in good faith negotiations? And what did the NY judge tell USAPA in regards to that claim?

You made the statement so how about you back it up?

So...The company is indeed bargaining in good faith in your estimation? Management is and has been desperately eager to do "the right thing" for all labor groups for how many years now?...Aww...Stop it!!...You're killin' me here!! 🙂

Flourish those pom poms as you please. 😉 Forgive me if I'm unable to join in the cheerleading though. I don't believe in ingesting the psychotropic drugs that would be required to do so.

 

[CallawayGolf]

So...The company is indeed bargaining in good faith in your estimation? Management is and has been desperately eager to do "the right thing" for all labor groups for how many years now?...Aww...Stop it!!...You're killin' me here!! 🙂

Flourish those pom poms as you please. 😉 Forgive me if I'm unable to join in the cheerleading though. I don't believe in ingesting the psychotropic drugs that would be required to do so.

Who, besides you, said anything about the Management being desperate? They have made good faith offers to the AFA with whom they reached two tentative agreements with and the last one was rejected by a margin of something like 50 voters. For far too long the AFA held out for the pilots so they could staple their "me too" clauses to their own negotiations but finally realized waiting on USAPA was a futile pursuit.

On the pilot side of negotiations if Management were to throw their fiduciary responsibility out the window and accept USAPA's DOH proposal, the east pilots would be breaking the sound barrier to accept the terms on the other 29 sections of the JCBA (in my opinion of course) thus proving that it hasn't been Management who has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith, but rather the unwillingness of USAPA to accept the results of final and binding arbitration which has caused the delay.

Negotiations require the use of leverage; the AFA has likely exhausted all of their leverage already and USAPA never had any to begin with.

 

[EastUS1]

Negotiations require the use of leverage; the AFA has likely exhausted all of their leverage already and USAPA never had any to begin with.

"Negotiations require the use of leverage.." Really?...and here I'd thought all that was needed was that obviously abundant "good faith"..?...or moral duty, or even the slightest notion of EVER actually wanting to achieve their laughably proclaimed "right thing to do"? 😉

So, at the risk of being even briefly spotted without your feverishly flashing pom poms obscuring all; you now directly admit that these "friends" of yours in management won't produce any gains they're not forced into? Ok then. We can agree on that.

 

[Move2CLT]

Poor Move, on the the verge of another breakdown.

Yes, chicken that's it.

And speaking of breakdowns, what is up with this PM you just sent me?

You have initiated numerous attacks on me and have tried to openly say I am Courtney Borman. I have received numerous attacks as a result of you trying to say I am Borman.I am reporting this to admin. If I receive one more inference that I am Borman, I am taking legal action. You have initiated many unsolicited and harassing threats. We all have. Do not send me one more. Tell the other harassers I am not Borman or you are fair game. Would you like a specific list of posts where you tried to out me as Borman?

 

[Move2CLT]

I've got just the thing to get the lad's mojo back:

Ahhh, congrats darien. I see you've become a video-embedding dipshidiot as well.

 

[Move2CLT]

That all you got?

Weren't you suppose to show this lad the errors of his ways?

What happened?
A) You went over the cliff too often
B ) The anvil fell on your head too many times
C) Both A and B

Meep-meep 😛 😛 😛

You finish your pre-calc homework?

 

[Move2CLT]

Flourish those pom poms as you please. 😉 Forgive me if I'm unable to join in the cheerleading though...

To tired from cheering for Bradford and his 90 days to a contract promise?

 

[EastUS1]

To tired from cheering for Bradford and his 90 days to a contract promise?

That would be "too" tired and no, that's not the reason for any fatigue here. Preparing for your host of herioc "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves" is a staggering task. Just the amount of time and effort it's taken to train the 7 Dwarves up into an efficient force, fully now suited to best your heroic onslaught, has been surprising.

Umm...You haven't enlisted any dragons in your heroic little "army" yet, have you? That's still of strategic concern here, as we've yet to hear back from the Prince who saved Sleeping Beauty.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YT8H9smpK3U

 

[CallawayGolf]

"Negotiations require the use of leverage.." Really?...and here I'd thought all that was needed was that obviously abundant "good faith"..?...or moral duty, or even the slightest notion of EVER actually wanting to achieve their laughably proclaimed "right thing to do"? 😉

So, at the risk of being even briefly spotted without your feverishly flashing pom poms obscuring all; you now directly admit that these "friends" of yours in management won't produce any gains they're not forced into? Ok then. We can agree on that.

Management offered the Kirby when they started out at the time of the merger saying "cost neutral" That's a sizable movement wouldn't you say? They said the same thing to the FAs at the time of the merger but then offered up whatever TA-2 was for this last round. Those gains were not forced but they were offered and rejected by "two in the bush is better than one in the hand" kind of folks, no?

 

[luvthe9]

Listen up waterski, I think everyone on this board is tired of you and your childish rants, run along back to your room. PS take a bucket of KFC with you.