OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

You were obviously furloughed when this "merger" took place. I don't believe anywhere in the history of mergers were furloughed workers placed above active ones.

You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO EXPECT TO BE SENIOR TO DAVE ODELL.

That is a big reason the west will see this thing to the end. NO FORMERLY FURLOUGHED PILOT SHOULD EVER BE PLACED ABOVE AN ACTIVE ONE.

Back when we were in the process of negotiating seniority I would have considered a longevity centered integration, providing the furloughed pilots were placed below active ones.

Clinging to the hope that formerly furloughed east pilots will be placed above active ones is desperate at best.

Not that that has anything to do with it as far as we're concerned but I've NEVER been furloughed. FYI.

Keep tilting at windmills. Enjoy your day!

 

[fatherabraham]

Come on, don't be a candy-butt. Step up and own your bad-self!

Dave

Dave,

Outing yourself does not lend credence for for your recent name calling and " man up " challenges .
Take for example FO DASE & Move2....., couple of the worst slanders out there! Have your own outed first if it's so righteous . Move 2 won't even fess up to AWA year of hire......tooo embarrassed.

FA

 

[luvthe9]

Now answer my question.

What is usapa’s legitimate union purpose for ignoring binding arbitration and using a seniority list that benefit every east pilot while harming every west pilot?

I don't recall USAPA having any binding arbitration with the west, that might have been the previous union you are thinking of. You should be lucky you were aquired by us "Project Zanzibar" was about to be set in motion, As you can see the west has nothing to offer us, I'm tired of subzidizing you guys. Where is all the growth coming from, hint not PHX. You have sold you membership out.

 

[luvthe9]

Dave,

Outing yourself does not lend credence for for your recent name calling and " man up " challenges .
Take for example FO DASE & Move2....., couple of the worst slanders out there! Have your own outed first if it's so righteous . Move 2 won't even fess up to AWA year of hire......tooo embarrassed.

FA

Move2 Mar 99', and you have to admit Fodase went out with a bang, the goat jokes were great.

 

[cleardirect]

Like i thought. No answer.

And no, I'm not contributing to your already weak legal foundation. Your community college may offer a basic course in Labor Law 101 or Contracts 100.

Enjoy class.

You just can't teach some people.

View Postcleardirect, on 26 November 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Federal law has chosen arbitration as the method to settle seniority.

View Postend_of_alpa, on 26 November 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:
Cite the case and/or law.

Really? Are you that out of touch and clueless. You don't know the answer to your question?

If you can't figure out the basics you are a waste of time to try and educate.

The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112.

Federal law. Arbitration is used to settle seniority.

Are we done here?

 

[cleardirect]

Keep tilting at windmills. You can remove the sign off the door but the occupants remain the same.

You have finally figured it our. usapa can remove the ALPA but the occupants are still the same east pilots. The same occupants that agreed to use binding arbitration and the results of that process.

Not what Seham argued in court that a different union gets your out of your obligations. Same occupants.

Except the people you guys voted to run the union are worse. We essentially have no union at this time.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

RELEVANT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT PROVISIONS


TRANSITION AGREEMENT

SECTION II (
Emphasis added)

A.

The pilot workforces of America West and US Airways will remain separate and covered by their respective collective bargaining agreements (the "Separate Operations") until Operational Pilot Integration as provided in Section VI. A.

B.

During Separate Operations:

1.

US Airways Group will operate both America West and US Airways in accordance with the terms of this Letter of Agreement and the provisions of each carrier’s respective collective bargaining agreement, as amended.

2.

America West may operate under the US Airways designator code and marketing identity. US airways may operate under the America West designator code and marketing identity.

3.

The aircraft (including orders and options to purchase or lease aircraft) and

 

[cleardirect]

I don't recall USAPA having any binding arbitration with the west, that might have been the previous union you are thinking of. You should be lucky you were aquired by us "Project Zanzibar" was about to be set in motion, As you can see the west has nothing to offer us, I'm tired of subzidizing you guys. Where is all the growth coming from, hint not PHX. You have sold you membership out.

Better talk to your boy Jamie. He disagrees with you.

You can remove the sign off the door but the occupants remain the same.

Just another lie from a known liar. You aquired nothing. Parker made that clear during the PBGC rant in CLT.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The TA-9 Opinion firmly establishes that during the period of separate operations,
new hire pilots are hired into either the East or West operation and that an impervious fence exists between them until there is a single integrated collective bargaining agreement.
Section II.B.6, allows furloughed East pilots to be offered and accept vacancies at the West before the Company can hire any new pilots to fill those positions. According to Section II. B. 10. of the Transition Agreement, in the event of AWA furloughs, Section II. B. 6. should likewise apply to the West pilots in reverse

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Now if you want this document modified, which it can by the airline parties, than can't USAPA also toss the NIC, can't have ur cake and eat it too!

 

[cleardirect]

The TA-9 Opinion firmly establishes that during the period of separate operations,
new hire pilots are hired into either the East or West operation and that an impervious fence exists between them until there is a single integrated collective bargaining agreement.
Section II.B.6, allows furloughed East pilots to be offered and accept vacancies at the West before the Company can hire any new pilots to fill those positions. According to Section II. B. 10. of the Transition Agreement, in the event of AWA furloughs, Section II. B. 6. should likewise apply to the West pilots in reverse

Seriously. You an east pilots is going to point to arbitration to make your point.

With the Nicolau you all scream that it is unfair and that DOH is the only way to do things. That the west should have known it was unfair and should have done something about it.

Yet when the west is harmed and the east gains by arbitration the east does nothing to correct what you call your core value. Where was your outrage with this arbitration? where were your screams of outrage that DOH was not used?

Hypocrites.

You have only one core value. Screw anyone one you can, whenever you can.

 

[fatherabraham]

You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO EXPECT TO BE SENIOR TO DAVE ODELL.

That is a big reason the west will see this thing to the end. NO FORMERLY FURLOUGHED PILOT SHOULD EVER BE PLACED ABOVE AN ACTIVE ONE.

Back when we were in the process of negotiating seniority I would have considered a longevity centered integration, providing the furloughed pilots were placed below active ones.

Clinging to the hope that formerly furloughed east pilots will be placed above active ones is desperate at best.

Ames,

So I hear you say that IF we merge with AA that when the AA furloughed return they should as well be below Dave O.
Those fellow pilots have paid their respective dues and should return with their YOS longevity in my very strong opinion.
Please have your army and cactusboy friend to put that in writing for the APA to consider.
I double dare ya!

FA

 

[jetjok1]

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Is it really necessary to use name calling...........Grow up

 

[prechilill]

You were obviously furloughed when this "merger" took place. I don't believe anywhere in the history of mergers were furloughed workers placed above active ones.

You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO EXPECT TO BE SENIOR TO DAVE ODELL.

That is a big reason the west will see this thing to the end. NO FORMERLY FURLOUGHED PILOT SHOULD EVER BE PLACED ABOVE AN ACTIVE ONE.

Back when we were in the process of negotiating seniority I would have considered a longevity centered integration, providing the furloughed pilots were placed below active ones.

Clinging to the hope that formerly furloughed east pilots will be placed above active ones is desperate at best.

Amen brother!! Well said!

 

[jetjok1]

Wow, the westies are really coming unglued, worst I've seen in quite awhile. Where is our potty mouth abusive JJ, I for sure thought he would be on.

Oh, Ames is here........no worries