OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Indeed. There's never been any shortage of overly-stirred emotions and resulting delusional fantasies around this place. 😉..."Righteous Cause"..."Army" of leonidas...."Spartans"...."Knights"..."war"...."many battles"..."fought with valor"...even "dire wolves"....one can't even keep count of all such self-deceptive, outright fantasies at times. None of that childishness even addresses the most truly monstrous delusion your group suffers from though, that of absurdly fantasizing that any/all of you are magically "worth" being artificially advanced in "seniority" at least a decade of work years and experience over ANYONE else ANYWHERE!!! 😉 Now THERE'S some truly world-class self-deception that's fully worthy of study!

Perhaps Dr. Sagan should have specifically noted greed and "expectations" as well within that, but I've no argument with his general observation. "Human beings have a demonstrated talent for self-deception when their emotions are stirred." Case in point = prechill dec 2007: "Ho Ho Ho!. Saint Nic is coming to town!" 🙂

Let me sum this up and all your other posts.

Blah, blah blah. Time served is the only thing that matters. Blah blah blah. I have been here longer. Blah blah blah it's all about meeeeee. Blah, blah blah punk kid. Blah blah blah, grow up. Blah blah blah. Smiley face, smiley face. Blah, blah blah.

 

[EastUS1]

Let me sum this up and all your other posts.

Blah, blah blah. Time served is the only thing that matters. Blah blah blah. I have been here longer. Blah blah blah it's all about meeeeee. Blah, blah blah punk kid. Blah blah blah, grow up. Blah blah blah. Smiley face, smiley face. Blah, blah blah.

Coming apart at the seems a bit kid? Don't take it all so seriously, starting with yourself. 🙂

 

[Claxon]

Relative seniority has been used in every arbitration in the last 10 years. You aren't special. DFR 1 was a slam dunk. So will DFR2 if it ever gets that far. The Alcoholic Coward Douglas Parker still can't remember what he agreed to. When he does, chances are far greater he will recall the Nic award. He's under no obligation what so ever to "negotiate" seniority with your ridiculous union.

Here is what happened to your DFR 1. A fact you continue to ignore.


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DIS-
MISSED. No costs to either side.
PS, i would be careful accusing your CEO of being an alcoholic.

 

[fifidriver]

Let me sum this up and all your other posts.

Blah, blah blah. Time served is the only thing that matters. Blah blah blah. I have been here longer. Blah blah blah it's all about meeeeee. Blah, blah blah punk kid. Blah blah blah, grow up. Blah blah blah. Smiley face, smiley face. Blah, blah blah.

If I may? ...Blah, blah, blah. Words just fail me here. Blah, blah, blah, etc.

 

[Zone5]

Yes I did, I'm not giving up working 8 days a month for nickels and dimes to be on reserve 19 days a month and fly bad trips.

I hear ya, I feel the same way about quality of life and stayed right where I am. Worked 4 days last month, which worked out to $400/hr of flying,

Interesting to note however, that for the first time, after 25 years of unbroken "service" at USeless Airways, I could have held a reserve C/P position on a 320/737. As pathetic as that may be, the NIC would make it much worse.


seajay

 

[Zone5]

Yes I did, I'm not giving up working 8 days a month for nickels and dimes to be on reserve 19 days a month and fly bad trips.

I hear ya, I feel the same way about quality of life and stayed right where I am. Worked 4 days last month, which worked out to $400/hr of flying,

Interesting to note however, that for the first time, after 25 years of unbroken "service" at USeless Airways, I could have held a reserve C/P position on a 320/737. As pathetic as that may be, the NIC would make it much worse.


seajay

No you don't.

Do the empire and trump pilots have their DOH?

How about if you guys are so set and it is a core value you have usapa reorder the east list the Straight DOH. That way you can go into court and tell the judge that you have consistent values.

Works for me, I think the Trump and the Empire pilots should be DOH as should the West and there should be no widebody preference for the East. Nothing wrong with fences initially for some negotiated period of time in any merger but in the above cases those "mergers" are ancient history and TODAY it should all be straight DOH.


seajay

 

[jetjok1]

God help YOU for what is undoubtedly the most evil post I have ever read on these boards.

Driver...

IMHO.........an apology is owed..........

 

[EastUS1]

That way you can go into court and tell the judge that you have consistent values.

....As opposed to your "relative", supposed but entirely laughable, umm...."values"..? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

IMHO.........an apology is owed..........

fifidriver did properly apologize for that post earlier, unless you mean the post from A320 here?

 

[jetjok1]

Your post is just as out of order as his. He apologized and I, for one, accept it.

Lord knows I've been guilty of some late night beverage induced stupid posts.

Maybe we could all step back and try a bit more professionalism on the board.

I have to agree Freighter. I accept his apology. It was sincere and I've been quilty of the same.

 

[jetjok1]

fifidriver did properly apologize for that post earlier, unless you mean the post from A320 here?

Yeah, got it........I don't read all posts........I react as I go

 

[cleardirect]

I hear ya, I feel the same way about quality of life and stayed right where I am. Worked 4 days last month, which worked out to $400/hr of flying,

Interesting to note however, that for the first time, after 25 years of unbroken "service" at USeless Airways, I could have held a reserve C/P position on a 320/737. As pathetic as that may be, the NIC would make it much worse.


seajay


Works for me, I think the Trump and the Empire pilots should be DOH as should the West and there should be no widebody preference for the East. Nothing wrong with fences initially for some negotiated period of time in any merger but in the above cases those "mergers" are ancient history and TODAY it should all be straight DOH.


seajay

So you admit you were wrong when you made the statement that you work under a DOH list.

The east list is not DOH.

 

[Metroyet]

How did this demand workout?

No MCF. ALPA told you no money unless you got back to the table to negotiate a joint contract.

But if you want to complain about pay parity. Talk to usapa. They have been the bargaining agent for 5 years. There is no west MEC to object. No roadblock to pay parity except usapa' s lack of skill negotiating.

Usapa has had more time then ALPA. Why has usapa failed?

exactly! USCABA has logged far more time than ALPA under LOA93. What seems to be the problem? Is this what the expectation was? You don't think.....that....GASP,.....you all were LIED to do you!!!???

With moral compasses as Bankrupt as their twice BK "airline" I'd say its a safe bet. Well done JJ, Bradford et. Al. You've caused more career destruction than any of your pathetic management teams ever could have. Voluntarily spending a full THIRD of a 30 year career on LOA93!!? And still tilting at Windmills high on the DOH hallucinogens.

 

[EastUS1]

Is this what the expectation was?..........And still tilting at Windmills high on the DOH hallucinogens.

"Expectations" are purely for imaginative children and denizens of Fantasyland. Real life is what happens as we go.

I think it best to leave any/all "hallucinogens" to the "heros", "spartans", "knights" and of course, "dire wolves" of the west, five "brave" years now and many mighty "battles" in "war" into their "righteous cause" quest for the holy grail of St. nic. 😉

Hmm....It appears I've underestimated them, as they're apparently magical wizards as well......"Hello ladies and gentlemen. This is your "captain" speaking...whenever I'm not busy being an heroic "spartan", "knight, or "dire wolf" fighting "many battles" with "valor"...I think I'm Harry Potter!...Welcome aboard!...and relax...if you can..."

The following was produced by supposed adults, some of the west's finest "knights"/"spartans"/etc. Ummm.....Shall we speak any further of the childish nature of "expectations", much less discuss "hallucinogens"? 🙂

 

[A320 Driver]

IMHO.........an apology is owed..........

Not sure where this is coming from/going. Fifidriver apologized for a previous post and I accepted it, as did others, in post 5061.

Driver...