OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

Why are you assuming USAPA will survive long enough to accomplish anything in a merger scenario? How long does the appellate process take? A year? If that delay is to the Wests benefit...guess who files the appeal? My guess is the company will beat them to it. The NMB parked you until the seniority issue was resolved. Just because YOU are eager to leap off the cliff despite the forewarned clear and present danger to do so, I doubt the COMPANY is as enthusiastic. Read what Wake said about how legitimate self hostage taking was as it relates to a legitimate objective.

USAPA seems to finally got what it always wanted, the ability to blow their own brains out.

Is that the quick win Seham and Bradford promised? You're right Parker doesn't care which list is used. He doesn't have to negotiate off the Nic. There is absolutely no reason to. Anything else carries big risk.

Probably right that USAPA will never get a CBA given the amount of time it takes. Parker will get his 3 way with the Fed arbitrations and be able to wash his hands of it. USAPA will be clean as well as they will have never imposed their own combined list. (Ames...please do not respond.)

 

[Bill Brasky]

In her order, not only did Judge Silver dismiss the West's request to change the language, she said that as long as USAPA's list serves a legitimate union purpose it does not represent a DFR. I would think that upholding it's own constitution would be a legitimate purpose, or even just the concept of getting a ratifiable contract, as the Ninth itself stipulated would not happen with the Nic as the seniority proposal.

Now that the Union's right to negotiate has been established, I think that any further attempts to restrict those rights through legal action should be met promptly by a SLAPP lawsuit.

Judge Silver blew the West's case right out of the water. Not only no Nic now, but no DFR later! She said so in her ruling. I'm sure that Marty and the Doc will need to pay for their big houses that AOL is finacing, so desperation will be the word of the day.

 

[Pi brat]

I think Parker might surprise us with his next move.

I often don't like the way you say things and disagree, but you may be right there. I feel pretty confident that his first question is "How does this affect my chances of running a new AA?"

 

[Zone5]

I think Parker might surprise us with his next move. Assuming his real objective is a merger with American the path of least resistance is to admit the court did not relieve him from accountability and liability in our TA and to the Nic list that he has already formally accepted. Moving off of the Nic would most likely hamper a smooth merger.

Judge Silver really did make it clear that it would be an uphill battle to circumvent an arbitrated decision. If Parker moved off of the Nic it would be very likely that injunctions would be granted. If he were to tell ucrapa that the Nic is it, move on, their objections would have to overcome the language established in Silver's ruling. Highly unlikely.

I'll tell you what's "highly unlikely", that "Team Tempe" spends more than a token amount of time dealing with the issue of an East-West JCBA, until the AMR merger situation is resolved.

In the event that a merger is consummated, the process of reaching a ratified JCBA at the "New American Airlines" will reach fruition, in due time. Inclusive within and in the context of that ratified agreement will be a SLI section, one of many sections. Clearly at that time, anyone can then pursue a DFR action with respect to ANY aspect of the agreement. Getting an injunction at that point that would put the brakes on the merger? Highly unlikely. Protracted, time consuming and expensive litigation moving forward, perhaps.

Prevailing on a future DFR over the SLI section, in the context of whatever the entire post merger JCBA might contain, is highly speculative at this point in the process.

Like I said, time will tell.


seajay

 

[Ames]

In her order, not only did Judge Silver dismiss the West's request to change the language, she said that as long as USAPA's list serves a legitimate union purpose it does not represent a DFR. I would think that upholding it's own constitution would be a legitimate purpose, or even just the concept of getting a ratifiable contract, as the Ninth itself stipulated would not happen with the Nic as the seniority proposal.

Now that the Union's right to negotiate has been established, I think that any further attempts to restrict those rights through legal action should be met promptly by a SLAPP lawsuit.

Judge Silver blew the West's case right out of the water. Not only no Nic now, but no DFR later! She said so in her ruling. I'm sure that Marty and the Doc will need to pay for their big houses that AOL is finacing, so desperation will be the word of the day.

Yep. If you were correct the tall guys on the BPR could change the CB&L's and make a legitimate union purpose of seniority by height.. Try again.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Yep. If you were correct the tall guys on the BPR could change the CB&L's and make a legitimate union purpose of seniority by height.. Try again.

Spin it anyway you want! It is your reality, GILLIGANS ISLAND, !

 

[luvthe9]

Now that the NIC is ancient history what will be the next topic of discussion? I hope the next Parker roadshow is in PHX, hey might even have to go out and watch in person.

 

[Move2CLT]

Now that the NIC is ancient history what will be the next topic of discussion? I hope the next Parker roadshow is in PHX, hey might even have to go out and watch in person.

Now that the screws have been tightened on USAPA and its been made abundantly clear that straying from the Nic will put the east and company on dangerous ground, I wonder just how quickly the company will reject any list other than the Nic that USAPA tries to push across the table.

My guess here is the USAPA never gets the chance because the APA will be handling things for us. And their choice is, and always has been, the Nic.

 

[EastUS1]

Give it a minute and you'll find out.

Expect the company to be filing here shortly.

So; you expect them to appeal. Ok...based on what?...Other than their devotion to, and yet utter fear of the west pilots....and their natural passion for the nic, of course....? As for "Give it a minute and you'll find out." Well...has it escaped your attention that such processes (even if generated) generally take years....and not "...a minute..."?

 

[Move2CLT]

In her order, not only did Judge Silver dismiss the West's request to change the language, she said that as long as USAPA's list serves a legitimate union purpose it does not represent a DFR. I would think that upholding it's own constitution would be a legitimate purpose, or even just the concept of getting a ratifiable contract, as the Ninth itself stipulated would not happen with the Nic as the seniority proposal.

God damn, I've never laughed so hard at such an idiotic post! Even Claxon's "thoughts" haven't been as stupid as this one.

Whoever you are boo boo, I suggest you crawl back into your hole. You have no clue as to how anything works and your confusing MM and Claxon even more.

I'm still laughing at the stupidity!

 

[EastUS1]

.... the APA will be handling things for us. And their choice is, and always has been, the Nic.

I had an enjoyable conversation with two American gents this very morning. Surprisingly enough; neither deep concern for the west group nor the saced nic were even blips on their radar....just sayin'....

 

[Move2CLT]

So; you expect them to appeal. Ok...based on what?...Other than their devotion to, and yet utter fear of the west pilots....and their natural passion for the nic, of course. As for "Give it a minute and you'll find out." Well...has it escaped your attention that such processes (even if generated) generally take years....and not "...a minute..."?

I do and they will.

 

[Move2CLT]

I had an enjoyable conversation with two American gents this very morning. Surprisingly enough; neither deep concern for the west group nor the saced nic were even blips on their radar....just sayin'....

Two line guys? Ya, that's a great poll you're taking.

Did you ask them to dogfight too?

 

[EastUS1]

Well...has it escaped your attention that such processes (even if generated) generally take years....and not "...a minute..."?

I do and they will.

That's good to hear. I've been considering buying a PHX franchise for pom poms and cheerleader uniforms. Would you like them best done in AWA swoosh?...Or perhaps just heroic little spartans printed on them?....Well...on one side anyway; we must certainly leave room for some "Integrity" on the other, I suppose. 😉 Hmm..what would you say to a few cacti as trim?...

Seriously; to offer what's been posted after this latest ruling as anything other than a defeat for OzAOL strains even the standard benchmarks for delusional process.....

 

[Move2CLT]

Well...has it escaped your attention that such processes (even if generated) generally take years....and not "...a minute..."?



That's good to hear. I've been considering buying a PHX franchise for pom poms and cheerleader uniforms. Would you like them best done in AWA swoosh?...Or perhaps just heroic little spartans printed on them?....Well...one one side' we must leave room for some "Integrity" on the other, I suppose. 😉

Go into your mom's closet, she'll give you a good start on inventory.