OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Yes. Not all of us are limited to fearfully huddling around a primitive cave fire and fighting for scraps of food........

Instead you sit at a table stuffing food into your pie hole in between sentences.

 

[cleardirect]

You are probably correct, the company files an appeal to the 9th seeking further clarification regarding their potential liability and therefore keeps the East-West JCBA talks stalled in the meantime, buying enough time to follow through with the AMR merger pursuit, un-distracted by USAPA. In the event the merger goes away, the can will have already been kicked further down the road. Without a merger when negotiations "eventually" continue, more time goes by and the ability of the company to agree to financial terms, sufficient to obtain a ratified agreement will not be possible, it will be a stalemate into the foreseeable future. Separate ops, as far as the eye can see.

If the merger happens, the process of achieving a JCBA will proceed, as slowly as possible. Just the SLI section will take a long time, as Parker has already let the cat out of the bag and said it will start with three separate DOH lists on the table from the get-go and will most likely end up in a MB three Judge Arbitration (how long will that take?). Eventually, a new JCBA will be achieved and taken on the whole, can then be litagated as "unfair" by whomever wants to. Only by then the defendants will be the "New" American Airlines and the APA, can you say deep pockets and the ability to draw out that process a long time.


seajay

Check your time line. A joint contract comes before seniority (read the MOU and term sheet). A joint contract implements the Nicolau list before we go into seniority integration. Meaning only 2 list lists. The nicolau and the APA lists.

Listen to Parker at the crew news carefully. He said 3 parties not 3 lists. There could be 4 or 5 parties at the table but only 2 list. The company has a seat. The APA has a seat. usapa will be gone but they may be given a seat. The west could have a seat. TWA pilots could have a seat. But there are only going to be 2 lists.

You need to get together with Luv and work out what is happening. He says it over. So in his mind there will only be 2 list DOH and APA. But you are saying 3 lists. What is it? Is it over or not? Is usapa going to get the company to agree to a DOH proposal before we merge?

 

[EastUS1]

Instead you sit at a table stuffing food into your pie hole in between sentences.

Xbox is the best you have to offer for "flying"?...and this latest is the best you have to offer for "thought"?....I honestly must feel sorry for you. Have a good evening.

 

[Move2CLT]

You are probably correct, the company files an appeal to the 9th seeking further clarification regarding their potential liability and therefore keeps the East-West JCBA talks stalled in the meantime, buying enough time to follow through with the AMR merger pursuit, un-distracted by USAPA. In the event the merger goes away, the can will have already been kicked further down the road. Without a merger when negotiations "eventually" continue, more time goes by and the ability of the company to agree to financial terms, sufficient to obtain a ratified agreement will not be possible, it will be a stalemate into the foreseeable future. Separate ops, as far as the eye can see.

If the merger happens, the process of achieving a JCBA will proceed, as slowly as possible. Just the SLI section will take a long time, as Parker has already let the cat out of the bag and said it will start with three separate DOH lists on the table from the get-go and will most likely end up in a MB three Judge Arbitration (how long will that take?). Eventually, a new JCBA will be achieved and taken on the whole, can then be litagated as "unfair" by whomever wants to. Only by then the defendants will be the "New" American Airlines and the APA, can you say deep pockets and the ability to draw out that process a long time and AOL will get to continue paying dues to another union they will once again be suing, that's got to get old after a decade or so.


seajay

Take a lesson from this guy you ignorant easties (especially you east). He peppers his post with common sense.

 

[nic4us]

How many would you prefer to be east....?

All of them considering the positions they now hold are stolen property.

 

[Zone5]

Check your time line. A joint contract comes before seniority (read the MOU and term sheet). A joint contract implements the Nicolau list before we go into seniority integration. Meaning only 2 list lists. The nicolau and the APA lists.

Listen to Parker at the crew news carefully. He said 3 parties not 3 lists. There could be 4 or 5 parties at the table but only 2 list. The company has a seat. The APA has a seat. usapa will be gone but they may be given a seat. The west could have a seat. TWA pilots could have a seat. But there are only going to be 2 lists.

You need to get together with Luv and work out what is happening. He says it over. So in his mind there will only be 2 list DOH and APA. But you are saying 3 lists. What is it? Is it over or not? Is usapa going to get the company to agree to a DOH proposal before we merge?

That's an interesting legal theory you've got there. Sounds like just another reason to vote down an MOU, assuming there is any validity to your "time line" premise. But thanks for bringing it up, think I'll run it by the NC and Legal first thing this next week.

As far as "getting together" with anyone else regarding my thoughts and opinions, I don't see any reason to start now, after all these years.


seajay

 

[luvthe9]

Take a lesson from this guy you ignorant easties (especially you east). He peppers his post with common sense.

Take a lesson from Judge Silver you ignorant westies (especially you Move), IT'S OVER YOU LOSE.

 

[nic4us]

The fact that you could even make such a statement clearly indicts my earlier notion of your assumed intelligence. We truly are "Done". Btw; Sorry for initially even assuming any actual education on your part. We all make mistakes 😉

Let me ask you this smartazz: Have you ever injured/killed/etc any aircraft or person(s) that you didn't intend to? I haven't...so spare me any "group gropes" there.....

FYI: "The West pilot class" is well-documented as the least educated and equally least desirable of any now working for even any semblance of a "major airline". Name the other "major airlines" that don't even so much as require college degrees?....Or don't require even ANY semblance of intelligence testing...? Argue against that at your logically indefensible peril. 😉 Had your group been otherwise...we'd likely have been fully capable of avoiding all of this mess...and, at least; your group would have proven capable of avoiding the "Army" of Leo Fantasyland enlistment, at the very least.

That, as is always the case with sizeable groups of human beings; you have many decent and intelligent among your ranks, I do not contest. I've had the privelege of enjoyable conversations with some of those that are actually sane. That I could now assume that you're one of them? = Not-so-much.

Care to provide the reference source of this "well-documented" fantasy you have? I must of missed the latest issue of Aviation week that lists pilot groups according to average IQ.

Would not know for sure what major airlines currently require of their applicants, but I was under the impression that ever since UA got into trouble some two decades ago and was force fed an affirmative action scheme, that all majors pretty much had a four year college degree preferred standard.

We could not have easily avoided this entire mess. It has nothing to do with the intelligence or talent of the West, and everything to do with the unfounded smug attitude of a-holes like you who believe they are better than others.

 

[Move2CLT]

Take a lesson from Judge Silver you ignorant westies (especially you Move), IT'S OVER YOU LOSE.

Back to your circle jerk luv. There's chicken waiting for you when you're done.

 

[Move2CLT]

Xbox is the best you have to offer for "flying"?...and this latest is the best you have to offer for "thought"?....I honestly must feel sorry for you. Have a good evening.

Is that all you got?

Yawn.

 

[EastUS1]

Care to provide the reference source of this "well-documented" fantasy you have? I must of missed the latest issue of Aviation week that lists pilot groups according to average IQ.

Would not know for sure what major airlines currently require of their applicants, .....

1) Quick phone text here: No surprise, as the stats aren't in Aviation Week, that your group's largely bereft of so much as Bachelor's Degrees...yet it's the truth. Don't start on "average IQ", since again, your bunch provides the evidenced epitomy of what's the lowest available. Check these truths as you wish. Checking them won't change anything, nor shut you up, I'm sure.

2) Why am I not at all surprised that you would NOT know what any major airlines normally require of their applicants? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Is that all you got?

Yawn.

Yes. Pretty much...just that you have my honest sympathy for your obvious limitations....but..even far MORE so...do the unfortunate children of, presumably yours, that have you as any excuse for a "role model"....

Out of the cave of trolls and back to the menu now 🙂

 

[cactusboy53]

Have you reps not told you yet? ask "cactusboy53" and find out what they are hiding from the membership.

What the FRAC are you talking about? Gumbel showed me the list. IT'S the NIC.

 

[Move2CLT]

Yes. Pretty much...just that you have my honest sympathy for your obvious limitations....but..even far MORE so...do the unfortunate children of, presumably yours, that have you as any excuse for a "role model"....

Out of the cave of trolls and back to the menu now 🙂

You're at home alone eating a TV dinner, aren't you.

You poor sad sack.

 

[mrbreeze]

Care to provide the reference source of this "well-documented" fantasy you have? I must of missed the latest issue of Aviation week that lists pilot groups according to average IQ.

Would not know for sure what major airlines currently require of their applicants, but I was under the impression that ever since UA got into trouble some two decades ago and was force fed an affirmative action scheme, that all majors pretty much had a four year college degree preferred standard.

We could not have easily avoided this entire mess. It has nothing to do with the intelligence or talent of the West, and everything to do with the unfounded smug attitude of a-holes like you who believe they are better than others.

I will take a shot at this....

nic4us, ever since the west pilots have tried to take advantage of the east pilots and leap frog 15 yrs in seniority, "west class" is an oxymoron in the eyes of the east pilots.

breeze