OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

So, you wouldn't take a Nic contract if your pay went to $500k a year?

Uh, $500K? Where do we sign? But the Kirby ain't gonna get it done.

Driver...

 

[Pi brat]

Someone around here finally demonstrates they understand things. Well said. PI, pay attention to the above post and read it a couple times to make sure it sinks in.
USAPA is basically checkmated. Just because you don't like an arbitration award does not give you a "legitimate union purpose". Game over. It's funny to see the regular clowns on here proclaim otherwise.

Yeah sweetie,I know. Those of us on the east have figured out where you put us.

Sweetcheecks, you get us $500 an hour and then come back and talk.

 

[Pi brat]

Every once in a while I think the stupidest, prechilli ,would learn to shut up and never return, but she does. Good for you slow learner.

 

[prechilill]

Uh, $500K? Where do we sign? But the Kirby ain't gonna get it done.

Driver...

Of course I would take the 500k! Then I would sue USAPA and LCC (Addington II) and win, regain my rightful place on the seniority list and watch PI swing gear for me. That's where he belongs anyway since he was highly inexperienced when "hired" ah hem, at Piedmont in the first place. (Thanks Dad!)

 

[Pi brat]

Of course I would take the 500k! Then I would sue USAPA and LCC (Addington II) and win, regain my rightful place on the seniority list and watch PI swing gear for me. That's where he belongs anyway since he was highly inexperienced when "hired" ah hem, at Piedmont in the first place. (Thanks Dad!)

Prechilil, you ignorant slut.

When you can hold a candle to me, step right up. What do you say 924PS?

 

[prechilill]

"Jane, you ignorant slut" comes to mind. Old enough to remember that?

Please tell us all how you got that coveted job at Piedmont... How you turned down United, American and Delta at the tender age of 20... We're all ears Piedmont!!!

 

[prechilill]

Prechilil, you ignorant slut.

When you can hold a candle to me, step right up. What do you say 924PS?

Now we're talking! LOL
So, tell us again how you got the job at Piedmont. Did you drop trou or was it your old man???

 

[EastUS1]

See east? That was as stupid as your reply. Lets both try harder.

"That was as stupid as your reply." Which played well to the intended audience then, and in so doing; spared you any dissertation. 😉

"Lets both try harder." No need for any absurd pretense here. You're clearly operating at your performance ceiling as it is.

 

[EastUS1]

Now we're talking! LOL
So, tell us again how you got the job at Piedmont. Did you drop trou or was it your old man???

Which was the most appropriate AWA methodology?

 

[nevergiveup]

Stay out of this boo. I don't want to read your god damn dissertations that would inevitably follow

Now you went and got Move all upset again.

 

[traderjake]

The first is whether or not the TA, and by default the product of the process defined in the TA for determining an integrated seniority list is binding on USAPA. Both judge Wake and Silver have unquestionably stated that the TA and Nicolau award are, as a matter of law, binding on USAPA as the successor to ALPA.

The second question, now that we have determined that the Nicolau is intact as the accepted integrated system seniority list for LCC, is whether USAPA can negotiate for something other than the Nicolau. Yes they can. They can negotiate all aspects of the collective bargaining agreement. This is where a legitimate union purpose must be demonstrated as defined by Rakestraw. But it does not negate that the Nicolau award is binding on the union. If it were not binding then there would be no requirement to demonstrate a Legitimate Union Objective in bargaining for a SLI other than the Nicolau. And the Nicolau award would not be used as a measuring tool to evaluate an alternative proposal.

In a M/B arbitration scenario the company is a party to the negotiations. If there has not been a successful negotiation to modify the accepted integrated system seniority list for LCC (the Nicolau award), by what authority does the union advance a different seniority list since a ratified JCBA would be in place prior to a M/B arbitration and negotiations are over?

Well said.

 

[prechilill]

Which was the most appropriate AWA methodology?

5000 hours, jet PIC and Part 121 time with a sim ride that 50% of the interview applicants fail. Glad you asked!
Now, PIBrat, back to the question... Did you even have an ATP???

 

[traderjake]

Just because you don't like a course of action the union is pursuing doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate union purpose.

Just because you don't like a course of action the union is pursuing doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate union purpose.

 

[N924PS]

Prechilil, you ignorant slut.

When you can hold a candle to me, step right up. What do you say 924PS?

Piedmont and USAir (Allegheny) along with many other airlines that did not have anti-nepotism hiring policies, hired many pilots from within their "family" of employees.

Having a family member help get your application perhaps to the top of the interview pile was helpful, but one still had to compete for the actual job. Some made it and some didn't.

Some of the finest pilots and nicest people at USAirways came from airline families. Pi Brat happens to be one of those guys and was one of the best pilots and first officers I had the privilege of flying with.

Someone who has grown up in a airline environment and works his/her way through the ranks has a unique appreciation of the industry. Wish we had more.....

 

[EastUS1]

Some of the finest pilots and nicest people at USAirways came from airline families. Pi Brat happens to be one of those guys and was one of the best pilots and first officers I had the privilege of flying with.

Someone who has grown up in a airline environment and works his/her way through the ranks has a unique appreciation of the industry. Wish we had more.....

Those are reasonable senitments. I've but two questions for you then: WHY have you been, and are yet so eager to throw Pi and most all of our juniors under the nic bus? What suddenly happened to eliminate all of your (presumably) real-world and hopefully demonstrated concern and respect for anyone that "works his/her way through the ranks"......?

I must suppose those noble sentiments all go out the window the first moment they inconvenience you personally....? If not, then potential pay rates/whatever effects on ourselves aside; how about we just simply do the right thing here?