OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[AAviator]

Do you have any idea this entire mess is separate ops ?

Absolutely...

Looking at the seniority list provided via "BINDING ARBITRATION", have any former easties upgraded who are junior to former westies since the list came out?

There, threw some clues in there for ya!

 

[cleardirect]

OK. They DID get furloughed and Bular saved them and let them go to the east.

The point is usapa has determined that taking a position on the other side is not a recall. All of the west pilots working on the substandard LOS 93 contract still have recall rights to the west.

 

[cleardirect]

TWA waived their LPP's. They have sued APA repeatedly , and lost. They've sued ALPA and won.

Next question?

(here's your cookie, thank you for your participation, now go to your room)

If we merge get used to that kind of behavior. This is just a small fraction of the over inflated, self importance, the east deserves everything attitude that the west has been dealing with for 8 years.

 

[Claxon]

Absolutely...

Looking at the seniority list provided via "BINDING ARBITRATION", have any former easties upgraded who are junior to former westies since the list came out?

There, threw some clues in there for ya!

Well, a Federal Judge and the 9th court of appeals left me some better ones.

 

[Claxon]

If we merge get used to that kind of behavior. This is just a small fraction of the over inflated, self importance, the east deserves everything attitude that the west has been dealing with for 8 years.

Then stop trying to steal something you never earned, and it ends.

 

[cleardirect]

Then stop trying to steal something you never earned, and it ends.

You must be talking about east pilots.

A furloughed east pilot had no seniority, it does not matter how long it took to get furloughed he was still furloughed and junior. Even on the east list he was junior. So in a seniority integration arbitration the east pilot was placed below the pilots with a job. That is what he earned.

usapa is trying to place that east furloughed pilot about a west line holding captain. That is stealing.

 

[luvn737s]

Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3​
Don't be so afraid young lady.

As long as USAPA violates their own DOH requirement. In which case,some east will try to sue.

 

[luvn737s]

Squandered what a generation preeceded you built? LOA 93 "ALPA" Bancruptcy handling"ALPA" Pension giveaway "ALPA", Laughing at you ? USAPA! Millions of MARTY DOLLARS! I'll bet those spouses of AOL members call him on a weekly basis crying the blues! LMFAO

Nope. YOU were ALPA, even had your own VP.

Try again

 

[crazystnic]

It will be a shame if we do end up giving up SAP and the scheduling system.
Just dropped a 4 day going out the 25th. DEC.
The EAST system is so superior to the west and Pref bidding.

 

[crazystnic]

You must be talking about east pilots.

A furloughed east pilot had no seniority, it does not matter how long it took to get furloughed he was still furloughed and junior. Even on the east list he was junior. So in a seniority integration arbitration the east pilot was placed below the pilots with a job. That is what he earned.

usapa is trying to place that east furloughed pilot about a west line holding captain. That is stealing.

But they did have a HUGE amount of movement coming that should not be shared with the west because of attrition. That is where NIC missed the boat.. and I also disagree that a guy shouldn't get any credit for longevity..

and what about the guy never furloughed...

Also I have no desire to take an opening that should go to the west F/O for their slots. The more you repeat the stealing argument the more it does not become fact

 

[prechilill]

It will be a shame if we do end up giving up SAP and the scheduling system.
Just dropped a 4 day going out the 25th. DEC.
The EAST system is so superior to the west and Pref bidding.

You have your DEC lines?

 

[Keroseneuser]

You have your DEC lines?

Primary and secondary lines are bid 2 months in advance(primary close, then secondary about a week later). reserve lines bids are the 10th of each preceeding month. After primary closes the SAP period opens for drops and swaps.

 

[Keroseneuser]

As long as USAPA violates their own DOH requirement. In which case,some east will try to sue.

LOL, Lets face it, somebody is going to sue no matter what happens. So if i were the company or USAPA I would not even let that worry me. Going to have to deal with it no matter what the outcome.

 

[CallawayGolf]

LOL, Lets face it, somebody is going to sue no matter what happens. So if i were the company or USAPA I would not even let that worry me. Going to have to deal with it no matter what the outcome.

USAPA has been in three separate federal courtrooms related to a DFR violation for not implementing the NIC. Each of those courts issued strong warnings to USAPA (or a judgement against along with an injunction in the case of Wake) if they stray away from using the NIC. The Company has all but said that they believe a non-NIC list would be illegal for USAPA and very well may create a significant liability for the Company. So while anyone may sue, only using a non-NIC list carries with it the warnings from three separate federal courts.

 

[Keroseneuser]

USAPA has been in three separate federal courtrooms related to a DFR violation for not implementing the NIC. Each of those courts issued strong warnings to USAPA (or a judgement against along with an injunction in the case of Wake) if they stray away from using the NIC. The Company has all but said that they believe a non-NIC list would be illegal for USAPA and very well may create a significant liability for the Company. So while anyone may sue, only using a non-NIC list carries with it the warnings from three separate federal courts.

And nothing with NIC can possibly get ratified for several years to come. So as i said somebody is going to sue no matter what, so might as well press on with something that can get ratified then deal with the years long(er) court battles.

If the west is sure that they have a win through a DFR suit, as lots on here state, that seems to be the quickest way to get it done. Let USAPA put out some agreement that will pass, then AOL can sue. Problem solved.