OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

Nope. Haven't done it, never will.

Why don't you bid the 330 in CLT?

Because I don't work for US Air. Besides, I don't think I'd do well in a community that names their major arterial freeways after TV Evangelists. However the BBQ would go a long way to make up for it.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Because I don't work for US Air. Besides, I don't think I'd do well in a community that names their major arterial freeways after TV Evangelists. However the BBQ would go a long way to make up for it.

Ergo, your not a real pilot, just a pretending wannabe.

What do you do, clean toilets?

 

[luvthe9]

Because I don't work for US Air. Besides, I don't think I'd do well in a community that names their major arterial freeways after TV Evangelists. However the BBQ would go a long way to make up for it.

The BBQ is much better at the Dinosaur in SYR than any in CLT.
There is so much training going on in CLT that there are not enough check pilots to do the 330 work, especially the IOE. Guys that are just trained are going back for more sim time because there are not enough line instructors or check pilots to go around to do the second and subsequent IOE.The ground school guys are also way behind. There is a massive training move starting on the East. And the company is too far behind it to catch up. This Nic issue is killing your kids out West, and you are too blind to see it. Isom was in your very crew room in PHX and a East pilot down there mentioned Isom said you guys don't get it that you are not getting any growth in the future, most likely ever again.

 

[EastUS1]

Oh, don't worry Skip we will. Sooner, rather than later.

It may take years, but we will finish this.

So, which is it these days?: "Sooner, rather than later."? or: "It may take years..."? No matter. Have fun and lotsa' luck in your "righteous" endeavor. 😉 Meanwhile, back in the real world; I'm very much enjoying seeing guys and gals that had lost their left seats regain them, even some fresh faces around campus, and it's a heckuva' nice day. 🙂 Excuse me if I'm interrupting any of the sacred peyote-sweat-lodge-rituals that are no doubt needed to maintain your faith-based cult out there.

West snippets from 2007: "Final and Binding!"..."It's OVER!..Get used to it!"..."NO fences!"...even (you can't make this childish crap up) "Booyooshaka!"..."Ho ho ho! St. nic is coming to town!", etc, ad nauseum.

How are all those glorious "career expectations" and all such purely Fantasyland notions of how the world functions actually working out for you lately?

A many times posted west notion = "Karma's a b--ch". Enjoy the boundless fruits of your selfish pursuits.

 

[traderjake]

This Nic issue is killing your kids out West, and you are too blind to see it.

You can quit begging the West to come off the NIC, enjoy the BBQ and LOA 93.

 

[luvthe9]

Dave O Dell is in a much better place today, thanks to the East operation. I predict Dave will upgrade much sooner than PHX Rep Dave
Simmons.



Mr. Odell
knows that for the past decade, America West pilots upgraded to captain approximately seven
years after being hired (after the initial period of America West history when pilots upgraded
much more quickly). He knows he will receive a 3% wage increase on January 1, 2007 and that
his collective bargaining agreement will be amendable in January 2007, with negotiations
scheduled to begin six months before then. In short, although very little can be predicted with
certainty in the airline industry, Mr. Odell’s career expectations at America West are quite
positive.
More post Nicolau preposterous musings from Cactus Pilot.com

 

[luvthe9]

Unlike Mr. Odell, Mr. Colello is selling real estate, working construction,
or perhaps flying for a commuter airline or for Jet Blue. The one thing he is not doing is flying
for US Airways Mainline. He has not flown for US Airways for nearly two years, since his
furlough in June 2003. Although he was the last pilot to be furloughed, and therefore the first to
be recalled, he has not been recalled even though literally hundreds of working pilots senior to
him have retired in the two prior years. He has no prospects for recall, because his company is in
the midst of a long-term contraction and has not recalled a single pilot since the post-9/11
furloughs started
From the Cactus Pilot website. How the tables have quickly turned! Cleardirect tells some preposterous lies!

 

[EastUS1]

SERIOUSLY????

What little bit of dignity these clowns had is GONE. Obviously too much free time on their hands.

Driver...

Choose any of their wondrous productions at random and the same experience is produced. As a collection?....It amounts to a case study, proving beyond doubt the existence of arrested development syndrome.

 

[end_of_alpa]

You can quit begging the West to come off the NIC, enjoy the BBQ and LOA 93.

Certainly includes you now, doesn't it. You can enjoy LOA 93 as well, D.E.

Enjoy the holidays as that "high paid" F/O that you are. You're dad would have been proud.

 

[Metroyet]

Ergo, your not a real pilot, just a pretending wannabe.

What do you do, clean toilets?

Yes. I clean toilets.

 

[luvthe9]

Because that is what the world looked like for Mr. Odell and Mr.
Colello, if anyone were to have asked Mr. Odell whether he would trade places with Mr. Colello
on that day in May, he would have thought the questioner either was from another planet or, at a
minimum, that he plainly did not understand the airline industry in the United States. Simply
put, in May 2005, Dave Odell had significantly brighter career expectations than Dean Colello.
When this case is stripped to its bare essentials, everything follows from that one key,
indisputable fact. Because Dave Odell and the pilots near him on the America West seniority list
had significantly brighter prospects for career advancement than Dean Colello and pilots near
him on the US Airways seniority list, the starting point for the integrated list must be one that
protects those West pilots’ superior up-side career expectations by giving them places on the
integrated seniority list ahead of Dean Colello and the other furloughed East pilots who had far
dimmer career expectations.
More drivel from the Cactuspilots and their Nicolau musings. All falsehoods. Collello will upgrade faster than Dave O Dell, yet he will be followed shortly thereafter by Dave, far ahead of PHX rep Dave Simmons.

 

[cactusboy53]

Tell the leaders you want a seniority solution first rather than a contract solution. When I mean a seniority solution I DON'T mean the nic award. I mean that the leaders should be solving seniority FIRST in the courts, whether DOH or the NIC and then the contract. That's what the company wants, that's what AOL wants (an answer either way) that is what USAPA SHOULD WANT AS WE'LL! USAPA leadership is a failure and IN PARTICULAR STEVE BRADFORD. He disappoints me the most. Look at the MOU they brought back for review or the letter of agreement.

SENIORITY VALUE should always be calculated first, not last. Cart before the horse.

Sorry Bub, but the Nicolau seniority list IS the compromise, the middle ground, and the ONLY legitimate & legal seniority list. It remains the ONLY seniority solution.

USAPA constitution & bylaws say it's DOH. Better HURRY and get that DOH list out now, so we can finish this NOW.

SYIC-A

 

[cactusboy53]

Because that is what the world looked like for Mr. Odell and Mr.
Colello, if anyone were to have asked Mr. Odell whether he would trade places with Mr. Colello
on that day in May, he would have thought the questioner either was from another planet or, at a
minimum, that he plainly did not understand the airline industry in the United States. Simply
put, in May 2005, Dave Odell had significantly brighter career expectations than Dean Colello.
When this case is stripped to its bare essentials, everything follows from that one key,
indisputable fact. Because Dave Odell and the pilots near him on the America West seniority list
had significantly brighter prospects for career advancement than Dean Colello and pilots near
him on the US Airways seniority list, the starting point for the integrated list must be one that
protects those West pilots’ superior up-side career expectations by giving them places on the
integrated seniority list ahead of Dean Colello and the other furloughed East pilots who had far
dimmer career expectations.
More drivel from the Cactuspilots and their Nicolau musings. All falsehoods. Collello will upgrade faster than Dave O Dell, yet he will be followed shortly thereafter by Dave, far ahead of PHX rep Dave Simmons.

Sure. Anyone in Colello's position is a winner when you DO NOT keep your word, cheat, lie and steal from the smaller group. It's called being a BULLY.

Funny thing: Goliath was a bully, until he met David.

SYIC-A, luvr.

 

[nevergiveup]

Sure. Anyone in Colello's position is a winner when you DO NOT keep your word, cheat, lie and steal from the smaller group. It's called being a BULLY.

Funny thing: Goliath was a bully, until he met David.

SYIC-A, luvr.

Perhaps the next time you sign a transition agreement you will note the fine print. (Actually, it was the same size as the rest!)

 

[EastUS1]

Funny thing: Goliath was a bully, until he met David.

Hmm....It's hard to keep track here sometimes...First you "heros" were "Spartans", later "Knights" that "fought with valor in many battles" in supposed "war" and even "dire wolves!", at least one "dragon slayer", and now folks? = Fully developed Biblical Heros!!! What's next in the "heroic" west evolution? = At the very least, some demigods from classical mythology, I'd think?...Or would that just be a step down for you now? 😉

If I didn't know better...I'd almost have to believe you take yourselves Waaay-too-seriously. Don't expect everyone else to do the same....since "expectations" have proved a wee-bit problematic for you in the the past, and indeed up to the present time.