OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion
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CallawayGolf
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Are you saying that divorce objectively increases a person's moral status according to some written code or standard of morality?
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Phoenix said: "Calling Luv a liar seems a bit excessive perhaps to me. The risk to your credibility in that accusation is very high. Do you have personal knowledge of Luv's intent to deceive folks for his own personal gain? Has someone corroborated your accusation? May I suggest if you disagree with someone, you could assert he is wrong, gravely mistaken, or misinformed and inaccurate. Then at least others could concede you probably really didn't have any deliberate intent to vilify him."
You wise and solemn lawyer like bull.... judgment of me is noted. I meant exactly what I said. In a previous post Luv also accused people I know well of wanting to implement the Nic. I will have none of this, and will point out lies when I see them. How many times in my almost 10 years here have you heard me use that language?
As to your musings about the "balance of POWER" on the BPR, your Cleary tic is showing. The BPR was unanimous in their decisions withholding information from our pilots. The CLT reps just happen to be first in line. Don't get all union politics here, we have no future in this union, USAPA will most likely be gone. So those maneuvering for political gain are the pettiest of all.
Calling them like I see them, this board is no longer just entertainment for me.
We are in a very bad situation right now, one that COULD get terribly worse. We need thoughtful and objective pilots on our BPR. Getting rid of the CLT reps will be a good start to that end.
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You wise and solemn lawyer like bull.... judgment of me is noted. I meant exactly what I said. In a previous post Luv also accused people I know well of wanting to implement the Nic. I will have none of this, and will point out lies when I see them. How many times in my almost 10 years here have you heard me use that language?
As to your musings about the "balance of POWER" on the BPR, your Cleary tic is showing. The BPR was unanimous in their decisions withholding information from our pilots. The CLT reps just happen to be first in line. Don't get all union politics here, we have no future in this union, USAPA will most likely be gone. So those maneuvering for political gain are the pettiest of all.
Calling them like I see them, this board is no longer just entertainment for me.
We are in a very bad situation right now, one that COULD get terribly worse. We need thoughtful and objective pilots on our BPR. Getting rid of the CLT reps will be a good start to that end.
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Are you at all now even suggesting that they were the least, tiniest bit, immoral men for actually, no possible doubt here, breaking their initially existing covenants and oaths? Try just a bit of this one again..and actually READ it!: “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. ................ What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure” Thomas Jefferson
How about this one: “Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.” Martin Luther King. My personal favorite of Dr. king's: “A man who won't die for something is not fit to live.” Does THAT sound much like anything a man overly fond of lawyers, litigation and any subsequently supposed "covenants" would say?
It's very clear that both of these great men didn't so much love your conformist notions as to the sweetness of established societal convention even half so much as you do.
Few fantastic delusions still serve to surprise me from your side...but...you're now implying that the perfection of morality/integrity/whatever wholesale BS, that exists within the bosom of your fine and exemplary lot out there...actually surpasses that of such woefully inadequate, mere mortals as Mr. Jefferson and Dr. King? After all...all of you fine kids haven't broken your sacred covenant regarding the miracle of "binding arbitration"...? 😉 Whew! I'm sorry...but I have to take a break just to digest even the idea that such arrogance does exist. It must be the sun out there, or something...? Whatever it is; I promise you are entirely welcome to it all, and without any east intrusion 🙂
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Tell death do us part, but according to the Bible, the agreement can be broken in certain situations. (Need I mention who said this?)
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Would that be the same One who said He hates divorce? Did He say it was okay as a moral issue or did He acknowledge what people were doing without regard to the morality of their choices?
Agreed. Where we differ is in our estimation of who those people are. Anything enthusiastically supported by such as the Chipster and cronies leaves precious little doubt in my mind. He and his ilk have NEVER been anything more than an easilly moved and always available and open 24-7/365 concession stand!
Remember the "WEST MONTRA" NO BUMP AND FLUSH, guess they have never heard the term"DISPLACED" ! AS in 30% EAST flying, seals the deal , hard to get any NIC now! NO ST. NIC AGAIN!
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Excuse me? But what does this philosophical discussion have to do with any of us?
BTW....we travel up by air. Get to the point.
Why would you even consider entering a wager with a proven liar and scab?
It is going to be quite sad watching the rug get pulled out from under all this east joy, but hey, that is what happens.
Previously addressed = "I can almost hear the ritual chanting now: "Billions in damages!....Bump and flush!...Billions in damages!"...with a possible refrain of "We'll get you, and your little dog too!" 😉 How was that last batch of peyote anyway? Must've been some high-quality stuff.
Got any freshly updated timetable for all that rug-pulling/magic-carpet-ride to ever happen?....Enquiring minds want to know! 🙂
DID JUDGE WAKE, need more golf lessons?
Actually all flying done on the West is 100% LCC flying. Seems AWA bought it in a merger in 2005.
Nic is the system seniority list at LCC. Get used to that fact, it is coming to an airline near you.
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Probably it does very often in the mind of one or the other of the partners. In an emotionally abusive relationship, certainly the partner of the abuser who breaks the vow has increased his/her moral status by leaving the abuser. Happens all the time. Happens in this industry more than I care to remember.
And my guess is that the abuser gets very indignant over the perceived gall of his/her spouse walking out the door. And that attitude sounds very much like your position in this entire situation.
Really? NO operational integration , no JCBA, "NO LIST" as useless as any commuter within our flow thru, get used to it, read the recall methodology grievence, says it all !
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