OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[lynyrdskynyrd]

The Cactus 18 stopped their offensive and disruptive behavior (at unnecessary great costs to themselves, having been repeatedly warned)

Bullshit. I'm still posting.

 

[cleardirect]

OK, show us where she said it will be held up against the Nicolau. You are the ones with the vivid imaginations about the Nicolau. You might think you have a shrine to it in your homes.
Be specific with her statement , quotes. None of the same stuff Clear makes up. Either way, she cannot usurp what the 9th said, Wake tried that and you know how that went down. The 9th said no harm, and no requirement for Nicolau. They also said the Nicolau might not be the harm you boys think it is. You are too imaginative on your harm.

Read a little more carefully.

What is said was judge Silver said that usapa inherited the Merger policy. The merger policy was written into the T/A. Usapa inherited the T/A.


When USAPA became the pilots’ new collective bargaining representative, it
12 succeeded “to the status of the former representative without alteration in the contract terms.”
13 Int’l Bhd. of Teamsters v. Texas Int’l Airlines, Inc., 717 F.2d 157, 163 (5th Cir. 1983). As
14 there does not appear to be any dispute that the Transition Agreement was part of the contract
15 between the pilots and US Airways, the Transition Agreement applies to USAPA. Even the
16 case which USAPA relies upon states there is a “general principle that collective bargaining
17 agreements survive a change in representative.” Ass’n of Flight Attendants, AFL-CIO v.
18 USAir, Inc., 24 F.3d 1432, 1439 (D.C. Cir. 1994). Thus, just as ALPA would have been
19 bound by the Transition Agreement had it remained the pilots’ representative, USAPA is
20 bound by the Transition Agreement.2

 

[end_of_alpa]

Are you saying dicta has not mean? No force of law?

If so then all those words you all love to throw around from the ninth is just dicta.

If it has no meaning why do judges bother wasting their time writing it?

I prefer Black's Law Dictionary on my ipad but Wikipedia will do in a pinch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obiter_dictum

Enjoy!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That's because you are over staffed. Reserves on the west are flying 50-70 hours. East- centric flight ops management, what else is new? You see, these bids coming out are for a reason- to stack the east list with as many captains before a merger... Heck, this latest bid alone covers all the east attrition for 2013! It is so obvious what Bular is doing. Such is life. You clowns have to problem screwing Breeger (a 1978 hire place below a 24 year old 1986 new hire), it's pretty obvious through your own actions (less words) you have no morals or ethics. No need to explain. You're a DOH loud mouth that doesn't even demand DOH in your own camp... Situational ethics fit for a scab.

OVER STAFFED, EAST ATTRITION FOR 2013? YOUR ignorance is showing?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Prechill asked:

"And what happened to the Cactus 18 at the district court?
At the appeals court?
What happened to the AAA mec suit against the Nicolau?
What happened to the MDA suit?
(this is getting funny)
What happened with the PIC?
What happened with CoC?
What happened with Kasher?"

The Cactus 18 stopped their offensive and disruptive behavior (at unnecessary great costs to themselves, having been repeatedly warned)

The "AAA MEC" is gone, along with ALPA. Remember that, the event that was not going to happen?

The MDA pilots are flying for mainline and finally advancing (see yesterday's bid results)

The PIC actually might get the PBGC to trial, we can only hope. In any case, their efforts have greatly supported actions by the Government Affairs Committee (Question: how are things with your contractual retirement plan, have you captured at least a few grand a month from the PBGC..anything?)

CoC is alive and well. How is yours? (you actually have none, nada..all yours is "at Company discretion." Should have listened to your counsel at Wye)

Not sure about Kasher, that one might be a dead end. Maybe not, we shall see.

And while questions are being asked, have you ever heard anything about a supposed final and binding list presented to the world in May of 2007? Any word? It is almost 2013, you know.

Greeter (did you mean funny "ha ha" or just odd?)

THANX GREETER!

 

[A320 Driver]

Read a little more carefully.

What is said was judge Silver said that usapa inherited the Merger policy. The merger policy was written into the T/A. Usapa inherited the T/A.


When USAPA became the pilots' new collective bargaining representative, it
12 succeeded "to the status of the former representative without alteration in the contract terms."
13 Int'l Bhd. of Teamsters v. Texas Int'l Airlines, Inc., 717 F.2d 157, 163 (5th Cir. 1983). As
14 there does not appear to be any dispute that the Transition Agreement was part of the contract
15 between the pilots and US Airways, the Transition Agreement applies to USAPA. Even the
16 case which USAPA relies upon states there is a "general principle that collective bargaining
17 agreements survive a change in representative." Ass'n of Flight Attendants, AFL-CIO v.
18 USAir, Inc., 24 F.3d 1432, 1439 (D.C. Cir. 1994). Thus, just as ALPA would have been
19 bound by the Transition Agreement had it remained the pilots' representative, USAPA is
20 bound by the Transition Agreement.2

If it was worth the paper it was written on, you wouldn't be here trying to sell us on it.

Driver...

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Bullshit. I'm still posting.

Stopped mailing poo?

 

[Claxon]

Read a little more carefully.

14 there does not appear to be any dispute that the Transition Agreement was part of the contract

15 between the pilots and US Airways, the Transition Agreement applies to USAPA.

19 bound by the Transition Agreement had it remained the pilots' representative

20 bound by the Transition Agreement.2

"But being “bound” by the Transition Agreement has very little meaning in the context of the present case. It is undisputed that the Transition Agreement can be modified at any time “by written agreement of [USAPA] and the [US Airways].” (Doc. 156-3 at 38).

Moreover, USAPA and US Airways are now engaged in negotiations for an entirely new collective bargaining agreement and there is no obvious impediment to USAPA and US Airways negotiating and agreeing upon any seniority regime they wish. As explained by the Ninth Circuit, “seniority rights are creations of the collective bargaining agreement, and so may be revised or abrogated by later negotiated changes in this agreement.”

The Honorable Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge

http://leonidas.cact...oc193_Order.pdf

 

[N924PS]

From Catching the Wave 101:

Paddle out to the takeoff zone (ie. Get in the Water.)

Once you’ve made your way outside the breakers, take a moment to observe where you are in the lineup. The lineup generally refers to the line of surfers waiting patiently for a wave. It can also be called the takeoff zone or peak. Beachbreaks often have several peaks where waves will break.

Etiquette Tip: Hopefully you have not paddled smack into the middle of a group of surfers that got in the water before you did. This is a no-no in the world of surfing. Until you can catch and ride most of the waves you paddle for and have a handle on surfing etiquette, it’s wise and polite to steer clear of passing other surfers. When you’re learning you’re going to be wasting waves and falling all over the place. Experienced surfers don’t mind beginners as long as they don’t act like a kook and become a nuisance. Instead of heading for the main peak where most of the better surfers will congregate, try to surf at one of the other peaks down the beach.

Too much time on your hands today or just miss your meds?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If it was worth the paper it was written on, you wouldn't be here trying to sell us on it.

Driver...

AMEN!, and who was the WEST idiot that argued the recall grievence for the WEST!

 

[signals]

You guys need to get a life outside of airlineforums.com. I just checked in on you for the first time in over a year. You are all saying the exact same things you were saying to each other 7 years ago when all this started. Grow up!

No I think that change is in the air. Aside from the fact that Move the Douche isn't posing with his cape blowing in the wind, dic4us seems castrated. Year 8 might be a charm as the East seems to have an upper hand!

of course like a soap opera, where a pregnancy lasts 5 years, this might be just the special of the day!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Too much time on your hands today or just miss your meds?

POWAVE ACTION!

 

[Claxon]

You guys need to get a life outside of airlineforums.com. I just checked in on you for the first time in over a year. You are all saying the exact same things you were saying to each other 7 years ago when all this started. Grow up!

I know you are a flight attendant for American. If one would bother to check a history of your recent and frequent posts, getting a life outside these forums would also do you no harm.

 

[jetjok1]

And what happened to the Cactus 18 at the district court?
At the appeals court?
What happened to the AAA mec suit against the Nicolau?
What happened to the MDA suit?
(this is getting funny)
What happened with the PIC?
What happened with CoC?
What happened with Kasher?

You forgot one!!! What happened to Nic

 

[Walmartgreeter]

From Catching the Wave 101:

Paddle out to the takeoff zone (ie. Get in the Water.)

Once you’ve made your way outside the breakers, take a moment to observe where you are in the lineup. The lineup generally refers to the line of surfers waiting patiently for a wave. It can also be called the takeoff zone or peak. Beachbreaks often have several peaks where waves will break.

Etiquette Tip: Hopefully you have not paddled smack into the middle of a group of surfers that got in the water before you did. This is a no-no in the world of surfing. Until you can catch and ride most of the waves you paddle for and have a handle on surfing etiquette, it’s wise and polite to steer clear of passing other surfers. When you’re learning you’re going to be wasting waves and falling all over the place. Experienced surfers don’t mind beginners as long as they don’t act like a kook and become a nuisance. Instead of heading for the main peak where most of the better surfers will congregate, try to surf at one of the other peaks down the beach.

Took me a couple of reads to "tune in" to this post. Well done, dead on, and funny.Nothing worse than a newbie surfer crowding your waves! (jetstreams)Greeter