PHL / LEC Elections

[Chicken or Beef??]

I hope that as we enter a new election cycle for our new Local Executive Council the flight attendants in PHL will take out a few minutes to vote.
In our last (interim) election there was less than 25 percent of the base voting. If you don't vote you have no place to complain!
You can vote on line or by telephone. It couldn't be any easier.

POLLS OPEN 1500ET, 03APR
CLOSE 1500ET, 24APR

NO EXCUSES!! :angry:

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

I got my ballot today. I am voting for the team that I think will bring something besides hot air to the table! Graf, Elias, Linton and Cangey all the way! Everyone in the crew room this morning was taking notice and talking about this ticket too. Lets show we can have a good turnout and at least vote! Past turnout was pathedic.

 

[Chicken or Beef??]

I got my ballot today. I am voting for the team that I think will bring something besides hot air to the table! Graf, Elias, Linton and Cangey all the way! Everyone in the crew room this morning was taking notice and talking about this ticket too. Lets show we can have a good turnout and at least vote! Past turnout was pathedic.

This ticket works for me! These people are serious about union work. They have years of experience. Terry is no nonsense and in your face honest. Perfect!

 

[PHL BULL]

I got my ballot today. I am voting for the team that I think will bring something besides hot air to the table! Graf, Elias, Linton and Cangey all the way! Everyone in the crew room this morning was taking notice and talking about this ticket too. Lets show we can have a good turnout and at least vote! Past turnout was pathedic.

this is a GREAT ticket!!!please pass the word and VOTE for this ticket...they Get it and will work hard for local/70 this is a dream team that will get things done in PHL and AFA...I know all of them they are the best of the best...lets get some stickers for our bags like the yellow ones the pilots have !!! we need a good turnout to show the company and union that PHL/70 has the balls to get things done...we are the big base we need to show it VOTE VOTE VOTE go Terry & crew....

 

[Travelpro72]

Graf, Elias, Linton, Cangey is such an awesome ticket. You CANNOT and WILL NOT vote for a more experienced and dedicated team. VOTE! ! !

 

[FlightChic]

I agree! This is the team! Vote people vote! Tell everyone in PHL to vote! They will work hard to represent ALL f/as, not just a select few.

 

[missthe727]

Graf, Elias, Linton, Cangey is such an awesome ticket. You CANNOT and WILL NOT vote for a more experienced and dedicated team. VOTE! ! !

Well, I know I will not be voting for those presently in office but can you tell me why you feel these people are such an awesome ticket and what kind of experience they have? I have only gotten a few things in my mail file and none from them the last time I was there.

 

[safety stud]

I can only speak of Ms. Graf. When the AWA merger was announced and AFA was going to Palm Springs for the BOD meeting, she was in the PHL crew room telling F/A's that we could loose DOH. Knowing full well that wasn't going to happen I confronted her about this and told her what she was telling them just wasn't going to happen. As she was still in office at that time you should never give your constituents a reason to feel their contractual rights were in jepardy. The legacy carriers (IE: UAL, Alaska, NWA) would have never let slotting to take place. As it turns out the only vote for the potential of slotting was from AWA.

My point to all of this is to show, she might not have the global understanding of the changes needed to make things happen. If she was so sure that DOH would have been lost at the BOD, how would she fair at the next BOD meeting when something as influential as seniority might be discussed. DOH is the key element in the structure of AFA. This is why, per the bi-laws, if any two AFA carrier's merge, DOH rules the seniority list. Period. End of discusscion.

Scope clauses in prospective mergers can only protect to a certain extent. The people at TWA can attest to that. Their seniority was tossed down the drain even with an extinsive set of scope clauses. AMR tossed them on the bottom and they are still there.

The simple fact is PHL like every other base in the LCC family must look at the long term effect of change. Change is going to happen sooner rather that later. With fuel costs at astromomical levels, it is only a matter of time before the company is going to come to it's employee groups for relief. DP would rather take it from within rather than put the burden on passengers. The airline industry as a whole should increase costs to cover it's financial obligations. This like everything else just isn't happening. Look at the aging of the fleets at most carriers, look at the BK's of the lagacy carriers, and most importantly look at it's employee's. Other than SWA, most employee groups at the rest have been beaten down to submission time and time again.

So my fellow bretheren, when you elect your group in PHL, keep in mind the fact that change is going to happen. Change that could affect alot of people. Make sure your choices are ones that aren't afraid to look outside the box and more importantly long term. If LCC is going to be around, long term ideals should be at the forefront of the elected officials.

Just my opinion...

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> I can only speak of Ms. Graf. When the AWA merger was announced and AFA was going to Palm Springs for the BOD meeting, she was in the PHL crew room telling F/A's that we could loose DOH.

Didn’t the former LECP at Council 66 try to get DOH removed?

 

[Onestep2flt]

I do not know these people personally. From what others have said I see some issues with this President and VP positions. My understanding is the Miss Graf publicly had a third grade style tantrum in a union meeting calling the president names. This is not the way a true leader should handle themselves when they disagree with others. Passion is one thing, but there is no room for grade school playground bullies in such an important office. I also believe it was said she stated that she would never run for office again and retirement was the most likely future for her. I would hope these are not the same tactics that would be employed with the company on behalf of flight attendants. I think the company would use these unchecked emotions for their benefit.

As I said I do not know these people so I will not pass judgment. I just hope that nobody blindly votes for someone because your friends are without gathering facts about candidates. Even the very things I said above should be investigated for yourself. Do not take my word for it either. I am sure there is public record for all to see as most of what I spoke of supposedly took place at a union meeting in front of your MEC president.

Also, this is not a election for president of the USA. From what I gather you do not need to vote for a "ticket". I believe you can vote for any individuals you feel appropriate for the particular position for which they are on the ballot for. I am not saying that voting for a "ticket" is wrong, but in this case is not required. One problem with voting on a ticket is just because one person who you believe is right for VP does not make the person on the ticket running for president the correct one. One problem I see is people on a ticket may have an agenda that does not include every flight attendant. They say what you want to hear to get elected but have a singular focus on something that might not be in every flight attendants best interests.

Just remember that you are the union. You should elect individuals that meet you own criteria to represent you. This is not a popularity contest. Biggest thing to remember is to vote. Don't think your vote does not count. If you are one of those that complain that nothing is getting done, that is all the more reason to vote. There is no excuse for only 20 percent participation.

Please ponder these things before casting your ballot. Good luck to you all!

 

[Chicken or Beef??]

I can only speak of Ms. Graf. When the AWA merger was announced and AFA was going to Palm Springs for the BOD meeting, she was in the PHL crew room telling F/A's that we could loose DOH. Knowing full well that wasn't going to happen ...

Noone knew that wasn't going to happen (DOH). It was up for a vote. That's where I believe Terry is at her strongest. She has her feet in reality. We knew how the board of directors were going to vote as much as the pilots knew how their grievance was going to be decided by the arbitrator. It was a toss of the dice.

 

[Chicken or Beef??]

... there is no room for grade school playground bullies in such an important office. I also believe it was said she stated that she would never run for office again and retirement was the most likely future for her.

I'm pretty sure I attended at least three or four "Cher's farewell concertsâ€￾, only to see that she is coming to Las Vegas. I thought Kathy Lee Gifford had hung up daytime TV for life. Just to show how situations can make people change their minds.

 

[galley princess]

Just a couple of humble opinions.

Everyone has motives, ask yourself what are motives for posting?

Newsflash: DP can come on his knees and East will have none of it, speaking for myself, I would rather see US fold first. We are already the lowest paid in the industry, he's insane if he thinks that's even an option. So why is someone posting it here? To make you think it is an option or even worse, to depress your expectations of the future? Maybe not, but do not ever let yourselves believe that you merit this abysmal pay scale. When our power returns: and it was STOLEN by the courts, this nonsense comes to an end. This an aberration, not a future reality. Oil can do whatever it wants, DP needs to understand that fair compensation applies to labor as well as management.

I know TG and she's knowledgeable, tough and an advocate. Everyone has a bad day/ week, in the final analysis, she knows her stuff. I'd be happy to have her as a president, and I think she might be more communicative than JM, who I like, but has become a divisive factor which no one needs.

Keep in mind, however, that TG needs to feed herself as well, and resides in CA. So nobody squeal when you see her on ETB trips.

Again, these are just my opinions.

 

[Onestep2flt]

I'm pretty sure I attended at least three or four "Cher's farewell concertsâ€￾, only to see that she is coming to Las Vegas. I thought Kathy Lee Gifford had hung up daytime TV for life. Just to show how situations can make people change their minds.

I will be the first to admit that people can change their minds. I might even change my opinion on Miss Graf. It does not really matter because it is the flight attendants responsibility to decide what leaders are best for them. What I do think is necessary is that everyone is armed with information to make their own choices. Just to give one something to think about let us take your example with Cher's farewell, and Kathy Lee Gifford's return to TV. People like them are consumed with the fame and attention they receive and are comfy with the lifestyle. They come upon there time to exit this lifestyle and at first it is great. But, like a lot of people in a position with former influence on others they just can't give up the urge to get back in the ring one more time. Not necessarily a good or bad thing. Think MJ. One of the greatest basketball players to play the game. Retired on top of his game, tries for that comeback to slip quietly out the back door. I am not trying to attack Miss Graf but do want to point out you should consider all the facts before casting a vote. What was accomplished in the local PHL office during her tenure. It sounds to me that most of it was consumed with trying to banish the then president. I believe the right thing happened when under a lot of pressure from the members that they all resigned. It was best for you all. I will commend Miss Graf for that. I am just not sure that her "comeback" is what is best for the membership of PHL.

I wish you all well. Just make sure you actually vote no matter who you support. Just make sure you know who you are voting for.

 

[safety stud]

Noone knew that wasn't going to happen (DOH). It was up for a vote. That's where I believe Terry is at her strongest. She has her feet in reality. We knew how the board of directors were going to vote as much as the pilots knew how their grievance was going to be decided by the arbitrator. It was a toss of the dice.

Yes, it was up for a vote, however, Unlike ALPA who in 1993 adopted language that allowed slotting, AFA never has or will. There was no dice to be tossed what so ever. End of story. The only one voting for it was AWA. Go figure...

Just my opinion...