Separation of Church and State?

[Ms Tree]

Both of those statements are incorrect.

Yea. What he said.

 

[southwind]

Both of those statements are incorrect.

So BaRack didn't tell Catholic organizations they had to provide birth control. in their health care plans ?
My bad ! Didn't realize the majority of peeps who wrote the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence were of the Islamic persuasion !

 

[KCFlyer]

So BaRack didn't tell Catholic organizations they had to provide birth control. in their health care plans ?
My bad ! Didn't realize the majority of peeps who wrote the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence were of the Islamic persuasion !

Got 'em there southwind. Well, got 'em until you read a little further. That was changed. Here's a brief description of that change:

Under the new rules, employees who want it will be able to get stand-alone coverage from a third party. Some of the costs will be covered by small offsets in the fees insurers will have to pay to participate in the new exchanges where their policies will be on sale. It’s an elegant fix.

. So the church isn't required to cover it, but it's available to an employee who wants it via a third party.

I'm still waiting for the Catholic church to crack down on it's members who regularly use contraception so that they can have sex for *gasp* recreational purposes, yet they church will turn a blind eye and offer them communion, and of course, accept their Sunday offering.

 

[southwind]

Paint it however you want to, it's still Big Brother telling others how to conduct business and your lives !

Then again, some people need to be told what to do and when to do it !

 

[Ifly2]

So BaRack didn't tell Catholic organizations they had to provide birth control. in their health care plans ?
My bad ! Didn't realize the majority of peeps who wrote the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence were of the Islamic persuasion !

They were also, largely, according to their own consistent and regular testimony, not Christians.

With a few exceptions, they were deists, freemasons, quakers, agnostics, unitarians, scientists and everything but christian.

The ideas expressed in their life's writings and in those founding documents and behind the founding of this government were the ideas of The Enlightenment, and were an outright rejection of the Old World "christian" (Either Roman, or Church of England)traditions.

They did borrow from the English system of common law, and jurisprudence, which in turn borrowed much from ancient eastern tradition. That would be pre-prophet Arabia, etc., who had vast learned, advanced societies long before the Greeks "found" them, and from whom the western world borrowed very very much.

The problem with ideology is that, if you decide you must believe in a certain ideology, then you have to disregard the truth, ignore reality, and make up facts to support that ideology.

It wouldn't hurt to do a little study of our history. I mean a little deeper than what they told you in middle school. Then maybe you wouldn't go around believing things that are just not true, and making dumbya comments.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

They were also, largely, according to their own consistent and regular testimony, not Christians.

With a few exceptions, they were deists, freemasons, quakers, agnostics, unitarians, scientists and everything but christian.

The ideas expressed in their life's writings and in those founding documents and behind the founding of this government were the ideas of The Enlightenment, and were an outright rejection of the Old World "christian" (Either Roman, or Church of England)traditions.

They did borrow from the English system of common law, and jurisprudence, which in turn borrowed much from ancient eastern tradition. That would be pre-prophet Arabia, etc., who had vast learned, advanced societies long before the Greeks "found" them, and from whom the western world borrowed very very much.

The problem with ideology is that, if you decide you must believe in a certain ideology, then you have to disregard the truth, ignore reality, and make up facts to support that ideology.

It wouldn't hurt to do a little study of our history. I mean a little deeper than what they told you in middle school. Then maybe you wouldn't go around believing things that are just not true, and making dumbya comments.

It is friggin' SCARY that many highly educated and many..U N E D U C A T E D..people cannot do 100% of thier own THINKING, without FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, or the pulpit in the Southern Baptists Churches !!!

 

[Ifly2]

Paint it however you want to, it's still Big Brother telling others how to conduct business and your lives !

Then again, some people need to be told what to do and when to do it !

Big brother is not telling any member of the Catholic church how to behave, nor is government requiring the Catholic church to change its beliefs or its teachings.

It is requiring, IAW the laws of this country, a business, as an employer of people of all faiths and provider of services to people of all faiths, to comply with regulations applicable to all such businesses concerning medical insurance.

Notice, the same business is required to comply with a great many government regulations, from the local through the federal level. Those would include everything from child labor laws, OSHA regulations, tax and FICA withholding for its employees, and ERISA laws, to local health and sanitation permits for the cafeteria, and waste disposal.

These operations are businesses, staffed by employees.

They are not charitable organizations, staffed by volunteers from the church.

Who owns them is irrelevant.

The administration was gracious in agreeing to compromise

 

[Ifly2]

"Then again, some people need to be told...."

Typical right wing, especially religious right, mode of thought.

Overheard at the church picnic...

"There ought to be a law"

"Those people just don't act like us"

"Somebody should do, something"

When, really, no there shouldn't, it's ok, and, no, they shouldn't.

 

[Ms Tree]

Come on Fly, you know laws that dealt with sodomy, inter-racial marriage, countless blue laws... were all initiated by us crazy liberals who think peoples private lives must be controlled. Everyone knows that Conservative religious folks are would never support such crazy laws, Never mind the fact that out of the 12 states that currently ban the sale of alcohol on Sunday, 11 voted red in 2012. Amazing how progressives could loose the election in those states but still have blue laws in thier states.