Turnover Rate?

[SparrowHawk]

Personally, I think up is one of the many cubicle dwellers in the Sandcastle who see their job shuffling papers and getting coffee as oh so important that they're irreplaceable, unlike others who he dismisses as "menial labor".

Jim

I think you're right. I'm a firm believer in a free market.

Guy/Gals like Up are likely in their 30's and has an education beyond High School. It's easy from their perch, however lofty it may be or not be to look down in condescending arrogance at those who make their living twisting wrenches or slinging bags.

Fast forward to when they're 50+ and the next downturn comes and the company they've worked for cuts them loose. Gives them a one year severance package with the stipulation that they waive their right to sue the company or no severance. Last go around at my old company 107 of the 108 let got were over 50 and No. 108 was 49. To most of them a job slinging bags in another 6 months might look pretty good.

Then just for shites and giggles watch them go on interview after interview with no luck because who they were 25 years ago is now the hiring manager. They're easy to spot too. You'll see them working as part time Merchandisers in your local grocery store and at the Social Services office as for the first time in their life they have to apply for Food Stamps to feed themselves and their family.

Just remember UPNAWAY, the toes you step on today may be attached to the arse you have to kiss tomorrow.

 

[bagchucker]

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[SS255]

I think you're right. I'm a firm believer in a free market.

Guy/Gals like Up are likely in their 30's and has an education beyond High School. It's easy from their perch, however lofty it may be or not be to look down in condescending arrogance at those who make their living twisting wrenches or slinging bags.

Fast forward to when they're 50+ and the next downturn comes and the company they've worked for cuts them loose. Gives them a one year severance package with the stipulation that they waive their right to sue the company or no severance. Last go around at my old company 107 of the 108 let got were over 50 and No. 108 was 49. To most of them a job slinging bags in another 6 months might look pretty good.

Then just for shites and giggles watch them go on interview after interview with no luck because who they were 25 years ago is now the hiring manager. They're easy to spot too. You'll see them working as part time Merchandisers in your local grocery store and at the Social Services office as for the first time in their life they have to apply for Food Stamps to feed themselves and their family.

Just remember UPNAWAY, the toes you step on today may be attached to the arse you have to kiss tomorrow.

What you have described is why it's so incredibly important to be nice to EVERYONE, no matter what level you are at in your company. Those who treat the cleaning crews, the cafeteria workers and the bag-chuckers with as much respect and deference as they treat their own bosses and the other higher ups are usually the ones who get to keep their jobs when the grim reaper roams the hallways handing out the pink slips. At least, that's been my experience. If you want to survive for the long term, be nice. 😉

 

[Pi brat]

He feels he is superior to everyone because he can sit in a cockpit and push buttons to make it fly..... the calluses in his fingers from pushing the buttons to make it fly went to his brain... along with his whatever makes him think that his job is special too along with is inflated special superior ego. Who in the world thinks that they can bash others jobs? Now you can see why the Pilots cant get along with each other. The ego's are astounding. !!! PS..... he is West he is envious that it will be quite some time before he will be pushing buttons in a wide-body..

If you are talking about UPNAWAY, I don't think it is a pilot. This pilot has a lot of respect for our agents and remembers the day it was a good career choice.

 

[usa1]

UPNAWAY when all the middle class career jobs are gone (and this is just one of many that's been destroyed) who the hell is going to be able to buy an airline ticket so you can have your great career? You know why express pilots are working for peanuts? You figure it out genius ...

 

[nevergiveup]

I remember sitting on a tug one rainy 33 degree day in ATL on the Delta ramp. It was back in the 70's. I watched the pilots drinking coffee and chatting with the flight attendants. That's when I decided to change careers. Anyone can do it. Life is full of options. No career is better than another if you enjoy what you do. Maybe I'll try out for one of those TV singing contest shows! T

 

[usa1]

Living out of a suitcase, trying to empress fa's at the hotel while the family is at home, and working for express wages sounds great!

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Our turnover in Phoenix is outrageous. They seem to be hiring all the time, and short staffed. The ramp has the highest turnover, followed by gate agents/csrs. I think we lose about 10-20 flight attendants a month. Right now, there is a fa class scheduled to come online in early September. I think they need to start fa training for Philly base, from what everyone has been saying, with the constant crew shortages. I wonder why they won't hire fa's out East?? Have they exausted the furlough list yet? As far as corporate people, they are in there own little world, I am sure turnover is low. :blink:

Hard to believe the ramp has the highest turnover in PHX as many of the folks furloughed in the west stations were told there are NO Openings in PHX and had to go to the few big stations on the east PHL-CLT-DCA-ATL....

Also on another note, the ramp in BUF were all escorted off the property this morning and told they were done as of NOW....it was supposed to be Jan. 09, but apparently the company feared complete chaos in BUF over the Holidays so they told the guys they would be done now with pay.....

What a company we work for......

 

[AP Tech]

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Also on another note, the ramp in BUF were all escorted off the property this morning and told they were done as of NOW....it was supposed to be Jan. 09, but apparently the company feared complete chaos in BUF over the Holidays so they told the guys they would be done now with pay.....

What a company we work for......
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That company has no class whatsoever!!! At least they are paying them to stay home for Christmas!!! Perhaps they will now save on that "Holiday Meal"!! Merry Christmas from Tempe!!

 

[ggiby]

If you are talking about UPNAWAY, I don't think it is a pilot. This pilot has a lot of respect for our agents and remembers the day it was a good career choice.

I was responding to UPNAWAY's post on DEC 18.... #33

He does not have respect for Someone's job here...???? Especially ramper's and f/a's....
So what do you think he does here? MGT???

 

[ggiby]

I was responding to UPNAWAY's post on DEC 18.... #33

He does not have respect for Someone's job here...???? Especially ramper's and f/a's....
So what do you think he does here? MGT???

Also, you can see that UpNaway is a west person.... We don't know their culture there.... we are one big family here
on the East because we have worked with each other for many, many years.... we have endured much through all
of the BK stuff and 911.... Yes the West endured 911 too... however, There is anamosity amoungst the West Pilots,
against the East Pilots......

 

[signals]

Some jobs are entry level that is just they way it is and no all jobs should not pay a "living wage" whatever the hell that is. They should pay what the market will bear. If they do not pay enough you won't do the job. Look at all the 20-30 year plus people here, obviously the airline does pay enough.

You sound like someone who got their job because of daddy 😛

You don't seem to worry, therefore it's not what you know but who you b***! 😛

 

[CallawayGolf]

You sound like someone who got their job because of daddy 😛

You don't seem to worry, therefore it's not what you know but who you b***! 😛

How in the world would you come to that conclusion? His reasoning is sound. Not all jobs can or should be defined by a living wage requirement, whatever that is on any given day or by some bureaucratic determinate. The free market is quite capable of determining the proper wage level of a particular function to be performed.

When I was 13 I had a "job" delivering Pennysavers to everyone's door in my neighborhood. IIRC they paid me $0.015 per delivery. Should they have been forced to pay me a "living wage" to get advertisements out once a week? When I was 15 I got a job as a busboy and ended up working 35-60 hours/week because I liked doing my job and the $3.50/hr or so that came along with it, plus tips. Should my employer have been forced to pay me a "living wage" even though my room and board was covered by my parents?

The only thing a living wage requirement would do is to put more people out of work (liberals like that because that means more entitlement-dependent people who will vote for them). Service sector and non-professional jobs would go away and businesses would close if this kind of lunacy takes hold. Are you willing to pay $75 or $100 to have a medium-sized pepperoni Pizza delivered to your door? Are you willing to pay $150 to have your lawn mowed, or your car washed, or to see a movie at the theater? If not and these businesses had the government telling them how much they had to pay to give people a "living wage", then those businesses would cease to exist. On the other hand with rampant inflation of having a delivered pizza go from $15 to $75 then the "living wage" threshold would also go up from $20-30K/year or whatever to $75k per year. That in turn would cause the cost of a delivered pizza to go up to $300-400 which would then cause another adjustment to the "living wage" rate and the whole thing would start all over again.

This kind of government interference can never work which is why the best solution at all times is to let free market forces determine prices for all such goods without wage and price controls that undermine their effectiveness. Let a pizza be delivered for the best price the marker will bear and let the pizza delivery driver, the movie theater attendant, the airline ramper or CSR along with everyone else be paid whatever the market will bear. This keeps inflation in check and maximizes the employment level as businesses will gladly employee people who provide a financial incentive to the business owners by working for a wage that is covered by the amount of revenue they can generate and still leave a healthy profit as their return on investment.

 

[Pi brat]

I was responding to UPNAWAY's post on DEC 18.... #33

He does not have respect for Someone's job here...???? Especially ramper's and f/a's....
So what do you think he does here? MGT???

Yes, low level management by the tone and composition of his posts. By "this poster" I meant me, sorry I wasn't clear on that. No need to run down pilots if you don't know that was the posters position. I go out of my way to support our agents and F/As. Not all pilots do, but then again many agents and F/As don't care for pilots either.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

How in the world would you come to that conclusion? His reasoning is sound.

Another rectum heard from.