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Union elections and the RLA....POLL!

Should union elections under the RLA be like every other election where you can vote YES/NO and the

  • YES

    Votes: 1 100.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    1
*Retiree medical, isn't that what just about drove the UAW and GM into the ground ?

Nope, Quality!


*2 extra weeks of vac., Not sure how many total that means, but if you had 5 at DL, you kept 5

Don't you think this is divisive?

*Scope language, look up in TOPPS

TOPPS? You mean the language when management is right and you're wrong, it's strict policy and procedure. But when management is wrong and you're right (and you point this out in TOPPS) then TOPPS is just a guide and not a hard and fast rule!


*Lower Ins. Premiums, mine are looking pretty good and haven't been raised in 3 years

Except when you go to the doctor and find out how much of the bill you're responsible for!


*Unlimited OJI and sick, how can a company function with this

NWA was in better shape financially prior to the BK filing with this employee benefit!


*Inclusive lunches, how many shifts do you guys run? 3 here, minights gets a paid lunch

...midnights may get a paid lunch but so does other departments on day and second shift. Just depends on what department you're in. Without true scope, anything goes!


quote name='southwind' date='Oct 12 2009, 06:04 PM' post='711574']
*Participation in IAMNPF, not needed, not unionized

Is the glass half empty or half full? Doesn't matter. Still needed.



*Grievance process & resolution procedure, Had it for years now !

You mean the CRT Team? You're kidding, right?
You mean the same panel that if the 3 employee delegates vote to keep the employee and the 2 management delegates vote to terminate the employee, the employee is GONE?
What VOICE?
 
Wow, hard to believe we don't have a grievance process, since I personally know 2 people who have used the "Conflict Resolution" process, here at Delta, to keep their job and solve other issues!

And I agree with the benefits of building up of poad or sick-time, but unlimited ?



ok so i want to know, why do your pilots have a union? And not your lame answer of "they voted one in" why did they vote one in southwind? Just for kicks? I am curious..... And your "hearing" process is nothing more than a joke to make you think you have a voice, it is called reverse psychology oh wise one.. I am in awe at how naive you guys are.
 
...and the survey says...

Per the people that have voted so far....about 3 out of 4 feel that a change is needed
 
it is called reverse psychology
IMO and being an observer over the course of my career.. (stuck in the middle) of the "Union and Management" throw downs..

I always wondered why the Union or anyone for that matter promises an "Industry Leading Contact"
during a recession, global markets are at all time lows...right in the middle of an economic crisis?

personally would rather hear and read..."maintain and protect" instead of promises that cannot be kept.

I often wonder why that happens, these promises? of course giving someone hope is a good thing but then sometimes its not just about doing that..

its called a psychological head game.

here is why.

They will promise the group something that is just not possible to happen during a specific timeline
(and they know they cant deliver). attempt to instill that over and over until some people actually believe it. knowing full well this industry is affected by so many factors that are beyond anyone's control. they go in and attempt to negotiate with Management during a period when the industry may be in crisis, (yet have made a promise) when that promise is not able to be fulfilled or realized what happens? the blame game happens. that would be Management is being unrealistic, unfair, unjust and trying to screw you over and they just are being selfish. what they are really doing is trying to justify their position convincing the group its necessary to have their services on the property.

if they can convince enough people they are going to get industry leading pay and when its not possible to happen timely they hope the next reaction is simply, its all Managements fault.

(when you are paying someone for their services if they cannot be effective, then they have to blame someone...its always someone elses fault..)

its a game "Sugar". I believe that and I think you do too...

if you believe that Management is playing a head game, then its fair to say the Union is doing the exact same thing and probably to the extreme...why?

they have to justify their position so you keep...paying them.

I know it is never one sided.

(you have to be fair, if you are trying to point out "reverse psychology" then you should also consider .. discussing the "psychological head game" at the same time)

that would be fair and at least show you are being objective and unbiased.

ya know?

for once I would like to see the Union get up there and actually be realistic without always pointing fingers.

*I do not buy every single line made by Management either..

(just some clarification and to show a sense of balance)

I am in awe at how naive you guys are.
that is a very bold comment and actually a blanket generalization of an entire group (you may not even know) and since you may not know them.. it is a fair conclusion..

maybe its not that people are naive, but have already figured out their game?
 
Scope.

it is very important..however if that wasn't present.. a perception Management having a free for all.. would that be,

really a smart thing to do?

I do not really think it is...(a free for all)

the impression it would give someone...

"you are paid too much and oh yeah.. you suck"

isnt really a,

"good thing"

now...

lets take into consideration outsourcing to third world countries.

has anyone ever considered absent Scope language how outsourcing is not always a good thing.

was it ever taken into consideration that eliminating US jobs and having that position filled by a non-US citizens was really a smart thing to do? such as 100 percent Flight Attendant outsourcing on International flights to and from the US..

(which I viewed as the "bluff")

if someone is living in a third world country considered in poverty and then has the ability to fly into the US, what is to prevent that individual from taking off once they have gotten over here?

I mean does anyone really think about these things before they come up with these wacky ideas?

saving a buck is not always saving a buck.. rather than having to spend and cover for the unforeseen things that may happen.. while thinking saving a buck was a smart thing to do in the first place!

(when it really wasnt)

*just because you pay someone a low wage doesn't mean you are going to always receive high service..if they even bother showing up.

one day I really hope those in the know just wake up and realize that cutting cost by thinking paying obscene low wages is smart,

is just well...not.
 
Hey Dig, you know things are slow 'round here, when you have to carry on a conversation with yourself.

What happen to all the union hype-types here ?
 
Hey Dig, you know things are slow 'round here, when you have to carry on a conversation with yourself.

What happen to all the union hype-types here ?


I looked at the poll score board and it appears the "at will" lost the debate.



Your either at the table or your on the menu!


No hype just a fact.
 
I looked at the poll score board and it appears the "at will" lost the debate.
How many of the votes are actually at the "at will" company?

that is what you really need to determine.

the 25% NO may infact been the majority where it really matters..

concerning the election in regards to that poll.

right?
 
I looked at the poll score board and it appears the "at will" lost the debate.



Your either at the table or your on the menu!


No hype just a fact.

All this poll demonstrates is there are more pro-union people visiting this site !

BTW......The peeps over at AA, don't sound too thrilled with "THEIR" union !

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35870

The grass is not always greener on the other side !
 
What election ? :blink:

Only thing going on is stalling and hoping to change the laws !
 
What election ? :blink:

Only thing going on is stalling and hoping to change the laws !
Airline management and anti-union political figures want the procedure to stay the same
because they know how hard it is to win a union election in the transportation industry.
How about if we keep the current way of
voting but let's have everyone start out as a YES vote instead of a NO, and only those who
don't want the union should vote to cancel out the YES?
 

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