Unionization

[robbedagain]

700, IAMScrewed got some valid points that you fail to respond to. Instead of answering questions and instead pointing to 101 things that you believe screwed IAM workers at your company, how bout pointing to one damn reason why in the world anyone in their right mind would keep a 'scab' union like the IAM? The question stands, exactly what did the IAM do for anyone?

regards,

not much. raised dues after the 2 ch11 abrogation and three concessions and a fight againts 5 TWU members.

 

[Tim Nelson]

not much. raised dues after the 2 ch11 abrogation and three concessions and a fight againts 5 TWU members.

you forgot to mention that the DL141 officers got big fat pay raises after 911. 2002 I believe they got 15% raises and another 10% in 2004. Of course 700 lied about this as the facts disturbed him

regards,

 

[fanlube]

The IAM mantra is name calling, accuse the other side of lying and blame everybody else for your wrong doing, never has an IAM supporter had an open and honest debate and it will never happen, all you have to do is go back and look at this board and when ever some one questions the IAM the same answer is given.

 

[robbedagain]

i did forget to mention that soory about that but hey i only thought 700 was gonna post it since it is a fact!

 

[awausairtech]

not much. raised dues after the 2 ch11 abrogation and three concessions and a fight againts 5 TWU members.

robbedagain I can remember when the IAM boys on here blasted the IBT for what we pay for dues at IBT and look what the IAM did they(raised the dues.)
QUOTE(700UW @ Jun 14 2006, 06:20 PM)

There is a big differences, it took two chapter 11 filings, three rounds of concessions and a CBA abrogation for outsourcing to occur.
You cant say the same about CO, WN(when ibt), UP, now can you? :huh:

NOW let me see,
1. AWA was outsourcing (before IBT was voted in.)
2. CO was outsourcing (before IBT was voted in.)
3. WN was also I think? ( I need to ck this one.)
4. AirTran was outsourcing (before IBT was voted in.)

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY.

 

[awausairtech]

Funny, UPS outsources their ramp and GSE in CLT.

What has the IAM done for you and other IAM AIRLINE MEMBERS? B)

 

[robbedagain]

What has the IAM done for you and other IAM AIRLINE MEMBERS? B)

I cant speak for mechanics gse amt etc etc, but fleet got sold out in all class 2 cities! so the IAM hasnt done much for us airline employees.

 

[delldude]

What has the IAM done for you and other IAM AIRLINE MEMBERS? B)

the question in this time of declining unionism should be what have you done for IAM or IBT? 😉

 

[awausairtech]

NOW let me see,
1. AWA was outsourcing (before IBT was voted in.)
2. CO was outsourcing (before IBT was voted in.)
3. WN was also I think? ( I need to ck this one.)
4. AirTran was outsourcing (before IBT was voted in.)

3. WN was also I think? ( I need to ck this one.)YES

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005...aintenance.html

Airlines Outsourcing More Maintenance

January 22, 2005
Their business plans differ in many ways, but there's one area where major airlines and their cut-rate competitors agree: maintenance is a lot cheaper when it's performed by lower-paid mechanics working for outsourcers.
JetBlue, Southwest, America West, Northwest and United are among the carriers who outsource major maintenance of their aircraft to contractors in other countries, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.
• As JetBlue's new A320 Airbus fleet ages, aircraft are sent to a repair hub in El Salvador;
• America West also sends its jets to El Salvador;
• Southwest has always outsourced its major maintenance;
• US Airways mechanics agreed Friday to pay cuts and the outsourcing of 2,000 mechanics jobs;
• Northwest sends its wide-body jets to Singapore and Hong Kong;
• Bankrupt United Airlines recently won union approval to begin using outside contractors for heavy maintenance.
It wasn't long ago that major airlines employed their own highly-skilled mechanics, each with his or her own Federal Aviation Administration license. The mechanics, who often studied for two years before taking the test, could make $60 or more per hour.
Mechanics working for outsourcers don't have to be licensed. Only supervisors are required to hold FAA licenses and are responsible for oversight of the mechanics, who in countries like El Salvador may make $10 to $20 per hour.
Is this endangering long-term safety of the U.S. commercial fleet? The airlines say no but others aren't sure.
Last year, investigators found that deficient maintenance by an outside vendor was partly to blame for the 2003 crash of a commuter flight in Charlotte, N.C. that killed 21 people.
In 1999, ValuJet flight 592 crashed into the Florida Everglades after taking off from Miami International Airport, killing all 110 on board. The crash was attributed to oxygen canisters improperly stowed in the aircraft's hold by maintenance employees working for an outside contractor.
In 2003, the Department of Transportation's Inspector General said the FAA was inadequately supervising outside contractors while devoting too many of its resources to oversight of in-house maintenance operations.
Airline spokesmen contend that the overseas maintenance contractors are more tightly supervised than the airlines' own mechanics. After all, the argument goes, they work on aircraft from airlines around the world and are subject to supervision by major European and Asian governments.
American Airlines says it prefers to keep heavy maintenance in-house because it has a well-trained, highly seasoned workforce. It outsources only 20% of its maintenance and none of its heavy tear-downs.

Have a nice IBT day. 🙄

 

[awausairtech]

the question in this time of declining unionism should be what have you done for IAM or IBT? 😉

Pay my dues and stand by my union in any way I can as I do on this BB, Also go to union rallies and meetings.
I have also supported other unions by Not Crossing Union Picket Lines as a TEAMSTER LOCAL 104 MEMBER.

Now can the union members and IAM say that with the card drive at NWA? :down:
This (class 2 cities) thing! A union member is just that, A UNION MEMBER...If you sell one out you sell us all out! :rant: :censored:

 

[Awa Contract]

They get thier dues which means they should represent you properly and that goes for both sides.

I feel I get good representation from the IBT - do the IAM members feel and say the same?

 

[delldude]

They get thier dues which means they should represent you properly and that goes for both sides.

I feel I get good representation from the IBT - do the IAM members feel and say the same?

curious...hows your overall involvement from your rank and file?

 

[awausairtech]

curious...hows your overall involvement from your rank and file?

100% for the IBT
You will have to send more than 25 on 3 up west to make us change our minds!!!!

 

[IAM1776PHL]

The IAM mantra is name calling, accuse the other side of lying and blame everybody else for your wrong doing, never has an IAM supporter had an open and honest debate and it will never happen, all you have to do is go back and look at this board and when ever some one questions the IAM the same answer is given.

Thank you
just as the 22 have shown F/S

 

[awausairtech]

Does this song and dance ever change 😱 Tell me you can bring more to the topic <_<

No 700UW can't.
But I can, CAL and Frontier are at the top of scale. And
the SWA stock clerks are making big bucks also UNDER A FINE IBT CONTRACT.

700uw as you can see the SWA stock clerks are IBT and The Tech's at SWA are AMFA both under separate contracts as is it at AWA only they are both IBT contracts at AWA.

NOW just to let you know we tried to get the stock clerks under our contract but the NMB said NO!
Just a little up to date history in the last 8 years. 🙄
This is a reminder: (This is the first contract so you will not see a SWA or UPS contract the first time out).
Try to use some common sense.( Sound judgment not based on specialized knowledge; native good judgment.) 🙄

Have a nice IBT day.