Us Airways Afa President Wants Airline To Ease Up

[savyinvestor]

Not the point. Customer can't see the flight deck just the flight attendent.

[post="248969"][/post]​

They can at the end of the flight when the cockpit door is open and they're exiting the aircraft. I've seen it! Savy

 

[savyinvestor]

I see. If the F/A reads a paper that comprimises safety, but if a pilot reads it no problem? Apples/Oranges? O'k if you say so . Savy

 

[700UW]

Actually the auto-pilots and computers fly the plane.

 

[savyinvestor]

True, but the Apples/ Oranges comparison is a joke. Savy

 

[planejane]

JetBlue and SW haven't given up $2.2 Billion back to their employer. :angry:
Good grief, Charlie Brown..... DELETED angry:

[post="249351"][/post]​

As the passengers on JetBlue push off the gate on time, the USAirways flight is late because the company doesn't require the employees to come in on time because of the give back in pay? You cannot run a successful business if some employee groups need to be pandered to as the AFA seems to be asking. It it apparent that the IAM gave up more than the AFA and they are doing their job. I don't see the IAM seeking relaxed rules. They are working to their contract as ALPA is.

 

[PITbull]

As the passengers on JetBlue push off the gate on time, the USAirways flight is late because the company doesn't require the employees to come in on time because of the give back in pay?  You cannot run a successful business if some employee groups need to be pandered to as the AFA seems to be asking.  It it apparent that the IAM gave up more than the AFA and they are doing their job.   I don't see the IAM seeking relaxed rules.  They are working to their contract as ALPA is.

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Plane J.

I don't want to get thrown off these boards quite yet, so I won't waste my "cornfield trip" on you...

AFA AND THE COMPANY SIGNED AN 'AMNESTY SIDE LETTER' THAT WOULD SETTLE GRIEVANCES AND ADDRESS THE DISCIPLINES.

Unless, of course, you were in negotiations and know better, pray tell.

 

[planejane]

Plane J.

AFA AND THE COMPANY SIGNED AN 'AMNESTY SIDE LETTER' THAT WOULD SETTLE GRIEVANCES AND ADDRESS THE DISCIPLINES.

[post="249462"][/post]​

I only asked for someone to explain the amnesty. You are exactly like 700, "You weren't in negotiations, you don't know anything." No, I wasn't there, so explain it. Is this letter a secret? Us little people, as you assume we are, wouldn't understand it? Post it or find someone else to try to belittle.

 

[FA Mikey]

Perhaps Planejane can explain to us all, how a f/a who signs in one or five mins late will make a flight leave late?

Interesting how JB doesn't have employees ever come to work late, as you imply.

Flight attendants all sign in no less than 1 hour before departure, unpaid BTW. Late is late in the companies eyes, and rightfully so. But nothing is so black and white, there are many circumstances which should be considered an accident on the road, flat tire on the way, many beyond prediction or control.

In a year be a minute late for your unpaid sign in hour, and risk your job, having caused no detriment to the company. Most other jobs actually begin being paid the minute they punch in. How many employees are at the counter, on the phones or pulling freight and bags that second? Not many, probably none.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Kinda like the USA Today found in the flight deck? I bet you never use that little red button on the joy stick do you? Savy

[post="248947"][/post]​

USAirways' flight operations policy is for the pilots to use all available automation to the maximum extent possible consistent with safety and proficiency. On the Airbus, we are taught to engage the autopilot soon after takeoff (as early as 100 feet above the ground,) and NOT hit the red button on the joystick unless required by procedure or proficiency.

It is more comfortable for the passengers and, when the autopilot is doing the flying duties, the workload allows both pilots to focus attention on the safe and accurate progress of the flight.

 

[A320 Driver]

Actually the auto-pilots and computers fly the plane.

[post="249367"][/post]​

You better hope not. Auto-pilots are nice tools and computers come with their own share of perils but make no mistake, pilots and Flight Attendants MANAGE these flights. Much more involved than pushing a Cessna 150 around the pattern. Many times the ONLY reason a flight comes off at all is because of the cooperative effort of the flight crews. Don't mean to sound arrogant, but everything else is a support function of what we do. You try to minimize our efforts because of your jealous hatred, but the truth is the truth.

A320 Driver B)

ps You sleep in your bed every night. The Flight Crews are away from home MOST of the time. That, in and of itself is a tremendous sacrifice.

 

[midnight cowboy]

I have more then one prima dona,, err,, pilot refuse to take a plane because the a/p was on mel

 

[A320 Driver]

I have more then one prima dona,, err,, pilot refuse to take a plane because the a/p was on mel

[post="249537"][/post]​

In my 24 years with the airline I have never seen it done. However, there are other factors such as weather and fatigue to consider. I personally have not seen an Auto-pilot on MEL since 1984. The systems are VERY reliable.


A320 Driver B)

 

[midnight cowboy]

ever fly a dc9 or md80? it wasn't that uncommon, and it would happen right up till the time we parked them.

 

[A320 Driver]

Nope...B-727, B-737 200-300-400, F100, A320. Never flown a Douglas.

A320 Driver B)

 

[SpinDoc]

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

Almost everyone reading this topic can agree
on one thing, and that is - you have to have
employees who come to work on time and
ready to complete the task at hand. If that
doesn't happen, then the airline ceases to
exist.

In the recent past, the company has been
burned by employees who have been less
than reliable. As a reaction to this, the
company has resorted to draconian policies
that are designed to "send a message" to
those who would seek to cause harm to the
company.

PITBull has asked the company to meet her
in the middle with a policy that everyone
can live with. Fine. No problem with that.
The only way to convince the company that
a middle ground will work is to agree that
abuses will not be tolerated, and that the
union will not try to keep chronic abusers
on the property.

Nothing is ever black and white, but with
a little bit of work on the contract language,
I'm sure things will work out as necessary
for both sides.

Having said that, unions are not the only
targets in the "battle of the unreliable".
Management employees have had their
vacation/sick time merged and placed into
a common use bank. On top of that, if
a management employee chooses to use
a sick day, not only do they lose a vacation
day, but they get penalized for it in the
form of an occurence. 3 occurrences and
it is level 1. Each succesive occurence
leads to the next level. After 7 occurrences
in a rolling 12 month period, it's time to
go. Not only is it unfair, but it leads to
people coming to work sick to infect the
rest of the employees. Some crazy policy.

I hope the unions understand that it is
not just their members that are facing
draconian policies.