Us Airways Afa President Wants Airline To Ease Up

[mweiss]

I think the reason we tend to jump to the defense of our coworkers is the copious amounts of flight attendant bashing that tends to go on here.

It's been pretty light on USaviation, but you're probably hypersensitive after getting it from so many other channels.

Most of the bashing around here seems to be between the mechanics and the pilots, not between the pax and the FAs.

If we get a bad letter and it says the f/a's were cackling too loud, we get called in and have to make a written statement.

That's unfortunate. It certainly makes the letters sting much more, and I can't help but wonder how many are inaccurate, either inadvertently or intentionally.

If more passengers read books or watched their own DVD's we wouldn't be haing to explain ourselves away, because they would be too occupied to bother with us!

[post="249901"][/post]​

Yeah...or they could stay away entirely and you wouldn't have to do anything at all. Sheesh...you were doing so well up to that point. Why'd you have to go and ruin it with a "life would be so much better if all of our passengers were just self-loading corpses?"

 

[PSA1979]

It's been pretty light on USaviation, but you're probably hypersensitive after getting it from so many other channels.

Most of the bashing around here seems to be between the mechanics and the pilots, not between the pax and the FAs.

That's unfortunate. It certainly makes the letters sting much more, and I can't help but wonder how many are inaccurate, either inadvertently or intentionally.
Yeah...or they could stay away entirely and you wouldn't have to do anything at all. Sheesh...you were doing so well up to that point. Why'd you have to go and ruin it with a "life would be so much better if all of our passengers were just self-loading corpses?"

[post="249982"][/post]​

Actually, I was trying to attempt a little humor. Must have zinged right over your head. You know, we are getting accused of doing all the stuff that pax actually do on our flights, reading, watching DVD's...... I thought it was funny anyway.

And I have been taken the brunt of pax=f/a zapping on here many a time. Just not recently. It's nice to let other groups go at it for awhile!!!!!!!!!!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Sky, the problem is that you were defending someone without having the facts. That sort of knee-jerk response suggests something deeper.

[post="249867"][/post]​

As opposed to you and piney that had all they facts. Well excuse us!!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Most of the bashing around here seems to be between the mechanics and the pilots, not between the pax and the FAs.

[post="249982"][/post]​

That would be more accurate saying the mechanic and related and also the non- employee stick their nose in others affairs bunch too.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

IRemember it was FFOCUS who asked to visit in PHL to help boost morale. It was FFOCUS who started the GoFares Goodwill tour where many of the flight crews recieved tokens of appreciation from loyal customers.

[post="249910"][/post]​

How is PHL morale now that FFOCUS focused there???

Thanks for the tokens .. how about paying higher fares now to offset higher oil prices... oh wait the employees can go to round 4 for that.

 

[mweiss]

Actually, I was trying to attempt a little humor. Must have zinged right over your head.

[post="249988"][/post]​

It did. Sorry 'bout that. 🙂

As opposed to you and piney that had all they facts. Well excuse us!!

[post="249990"][/post]​

Well, now, let's see what we had to say, shall we?

--Traveling down memory lane--

I have not personally witnessed this behavior on ANY of my flights in the last several months. However having said that I have seen it all to often.

Like the others, I've seen it happen, too.

Note how neither of us said that it definitely happened. We only commented that it seemed plausible, since we had witnessed the exact same thing ourselves.

In contrast, SKY HIGH said

...Flight attendants endure 10 to 14 HOUR DAYS ON THE JOB on average! I guess flight attendants are NOT ALLOWED TO EAT, SIT, RELAX OR HAVE DOWNTIME EITHER?.....

See, SKY HIGH speaks as if eating, sitting, relaxing, or having downtime for four of the six hours of the flight (as was suggested by the FlyerTalk poster) is acceptable.

--Returning to now--
In other words, all three of us were speaking from the same base, treating it as either true or a reasonable hypothetical to discuss.

That would be more accurate saying the mechanic and related and also the non- employee stick their nose in others affairs bunch too.

[post="249992"][/post]​

Hmmm...I didn't get into nose-sticking. I was just talking about the bashing.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.


In the recent past, the company has been
burned by employees who have been less
than reliable.
Nothing is ever black and white, but with
a little bit of work on the contract language,

[post="249721"][/post]​

Hello in the recent past and not so recent past the company has also shown that it cannot abide by the very contract it negotiates. So what should you expect?

 

[ClueByFour]

You better hope not. Auto-pilots are nice tools and computers come with their own share of perils but make no mistake, pilots and Flight Attendants MANAGE these flights. Much more involved than pushing a Cessna 150 around the pattern.

Maybe. When was the last time that flight plan did not come up over ACARS? Pushing the beast around the pattern is one thing, but getting the transport aircraft from PIT departure to the Bay TRACON with all the support provided is not exactly comparable to muscling a Caravan over that same distance. Don't be so cavalier to insult the GA or mere commercial pilot.

Many times the ONLY reason a flight comes off at all is because of the cooperative effort of the flight crews. Don't mean to sound arrogant, but everything else is a support function of what we do. You try to minimize our efforts because of your jealous hatred, but the truth is the truth.

Huh?

Please don't take this as a shot at transport pilots (and certainly not with the backwards set of steps it takes to get there), but with the sole exception of the irregular op, that type of flying is far, far easier than what the regional or (god forbid) what the non-fedex/ups freight guys/gals do night after night.

Try pulling all that off without dispatch, local MX support, and the like. Oh, and boucing thru weather at 8,000 feet without the zippy FMS. CRM and managing the FMS on a modern flightdeck is bloody easy by comparison.

ps You sleep in your bed every night. The Flight Crews are away from home MOST of the time. That, in and of itself is a tremendous sacrifice.

[post="249530"][/post]​

Did you know that when you took the job?

 

[SKY HIGH]

In contrast, SKY HIGH said
QUOTE(SKY HIGH)
...Flight attendants endure 10 to 14 HOUR DAYS ON THE JOB on average! I guess flight attendants are NOT ALLOWED TO EAT, SIT, RELAX OR HAVE DOWNTIME EITHER?.....
See, SKY HIGH speaks as if eating, sitting, relaxing, or having downtime for four of the six hours of the flight (as was suggested by the FlyerTalk poster) is acceptable.

Skyhigh states: WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! You quoted me, but you ADDED THE FACT that I condoned sitting for FOUR HOURS which is totally WRONG! :down:
And thank you, PSA, you eloquently said what I was trying to convey on this board. you get it. Thanks!

 

[mweiss]

You quoted me, but you ADDED THE FACT that I condoned sitting for FOUR HOURS which is totally WRONG! :down:

[post="250096"][/post]​

You used those words to reply to a post that spoke of the FA sitting for four of six hours...what else were we to expect you to mean??? :huh:

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

I'll gladly pay higher prices for airline tickets on the exact same day you buy a new car for 2% OVER MSRP!

Where do I go to get my increased fuel costs reimbursed? Natuarl gas to heat my home is up as is gasoline for my car. Can I count on you to mail me a check? Afterall I have to Spend more on tickets now so maybe you an your ASSociates can take up a collection to help a poor cockroach.

[post="250060"][/post]​

What does MSRP have to do with anything? It is a marketing gimmick as anyone knows and the manufacturer makes their money on service and parts aftermarket.

I take it you are the only one paying higher prices for natural gas and gasoline. I had forgot airline employees are reimbursed. I don't see you meddling with your utility companies and gas stations affairs telling their employees to take cuts so you can lower your costs. But higher fuel costs sure is a reason for you to do that with airline employees.

 

[SKY HIGH]

You used those words to reply to a post that spoke of the FA sitting for four of six hours...what else were we to expect you to mean??? :huh:

Sky high states: I was, let me say this slowlyyyyy for Mweiss EXPLAININGGGG whyyyy flight attendants take time-out because of long duty days. NEVER SAID, I condoned sitting for 4 hours. Which is pretty bizarre in itself, the flyertalk post/STORY HAS EVOLVED into this flight attendant sitting the "entire way" to PHL. I've offered explanations, yet, you MWeiss only care about being "right".

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Go ahead and skirt the issue! MSRP or "Sticker" is where the negotiating starts. I can't negotiate with Airways over what they charge me. I can comparrison shop sure.

The point was we all seek the best deal for us, not the vendor. I never told anyone to take a pay cut. I have no authority. I have given an opinion which I still believe to be correct and that is that the least painful path would be to take the loss now so that you draw a paycheck while looking/training for something better.

A great job is better than a good job and a good job is better than an OK job which is still better than a bad job and a bad job is better than no job.

As for "meddling" if I purchase a product or service, that IMO entittles me to voice an opinion on that product or service to anyone I chose, anywhere I chose, whenever I chose to do it. I don't give a fat rats behind whether you approve or not. Ask the local cable company if they know who I am? Trust me they do and so does the NJ Board of Public Utilities. I don't sit on my arse and allow myself to be steamrolled by large corporate entities.

You don't like my viewpoint? TOUGH POOP! The more virulent your attacks on me get, the more I know I am on the right track. I'm sorry that words like positive, upbeat & optomistic aren't in your vocabulary. It must be a burden to go home each day filled with bitterness and rancor.

[post="250172"][/post]​

I am not skirting a issue you brought up a issue and I answered it. I do not give a POOP as you put it where you say the negotiating starts. MSRP and sticker price is a marketing gimmick that make you think you got a great deal when really all the manufacturer wants is you to buy their parts and service after you negotiated that so called great deal.

Your viewpoints on me mean nothing just as mine mean nothing to I am here ,as I said before, for the fun and debate. Bitter and rancor.. nope nice try not at all. But I do love the way you are caught lying on here. I.E. said you were gone forever never to post again and you were so upset with me you said I was being put on ignore so as to never to read me again.

Oh by the way you say all the large corporate entities know you the little entity. So tell all us how did it go? Did you get them to take paycuts so you could get their product cheaper? Do tell us Mr Piney.

Since you don't give your fat rats ass behind what anyone thinks about what you post I am sure you don't mind, like you say you don't, that you are attacked for posting it? Good I am glad we agree.

You don't like my viewpoints on you? tough poop because they gonna keep coming. I suggest you put me on ignore like you promised you would. Would hate to see your blood pressure rise as it seems to be and we all know about your health problems here as you posted them for all to see.

 

[mweiss]

...the flyertalk post/STORY HAS EVOLVED into this flight attendant sitting the "entire way" to PHL.

Hmmm...nobody said anything about "entire way." I figured about two thirds of the flight, given

The FA never came back the rest of the flight to see if anyoned needed anything.

I've offered explanations, yet, you MWeiss only care about being "right".

[post="250195"][/post]​

Well, yes. You offered an explanation for why a flight attendant would have been sitting reading a novel for four hours. Except that you say you weren't condoning it. :unsure: I guess it's possible to hold both positions. :blink:

 

[PSA1979]

I'm not sure if I can believe that the f/a sat for the entire rest of the flight. Maybe a good portion of it, but 4 hours? The jumpseat is hard and very uncomfortable, it is very difficult to sit for that amount of time without getting up and walking around, I would think. I can't even sit there for a full 20 minutes without my back hurting.

Years ago we used to pass out surveys to all our passengers to fill out. It supposedly helped our company decide what the service should be and how well we were doing. Well, I read the survey prior to passing it out. On the part that applied to inflight one of the questions was "were you met with a smile and a hello."

I did my own survey one day, and made sure every single pax getting on my aircraft got a big smile, a happy hello, and maybe even a "nice tie/dress/sweater" etc. Well, I read everyone of those surveys before we landed. Guess what? 99% of the pax said they were NOT met with a smile or hello. Some even said we didn't offer any drinks during the entire flight. Others said it took us over an hour to start our service. The flight was about an hour itself.

So, I have learned to not put too much into complaints, most of them are colored by the complainers bias! Give a human an opportunity to complain and they'll make something up!!!!