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US Airways Pilots Labor Thread 12/8-12/15

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A former US east pilot at the PHX crew news said that the lifetime pass benefits for furloughed east pilots were a "good will gesture" by Segal and not in the contract or LOA. Doug responded that they may take them away (pass privileges)if found to be true. Does any east guy know if this true that furloughed pilot get lifetime pass benefits and were exactly it states this in the contract or LOA?
 
A former US east pilot at the PHX crew news said that the lifetime pass benefits for furloughed east pilots were a "good will gesture" by Segal and not in the contract or LOA. Doug responded that they may take them away (pass privileges)if found to be true. Does any east guy know if this true that furloughed pilot get lifetime pass benefits and were exactly it states this in the contract or LOA?
Probably in one of the side letters - I don't recall that in the underlying contract.

Jim
 
It may have been in one of the earlier contracts, meaning it disappeared as a benefit when it wasn't included in a later contract. Or one of the many LOA's that no longer apply so aren't included with the current contract. I wanna say there was something like that with the '91 furloughs, but I'm just not sure.

Jim
 
There is one huge difference between the US Airways and the Delta merger arbitration - the Delta one used the full and correct lists. The US Airways arbitration used a partial list created after well over a year of delay tactics by AWA pilots to push the actual arbitration into the future as far as possible. During this lengthy delay US Airways parked over 60 aircraft in order to make the merger happen, and furloughed hundreds of their pilots.
Boeing Driver,

Either you have not been paying attention or you have been listening to rumors. Let me try and correct the boat load of incorrect statements.

First a partial list? Did MAINLINE pilots get left off. Do not go into CEL, wholly owned, MDA, secret lists or such nonsense. It was the east MEC/MC that certified the list if you have a problem file a law suit.

Next it was not the west that delayed the arbitration. Once again look to your own MEC/MC. They were the ones that selected Nicolau and the west agreed. It was Nicolau that was unavailable for a length of time. Nothing to do with the west delaying anything.

The west pilots had zero to do with a management decision to park airplanes. Check the time line. During the time that we were waiting for the arbitrator most of the furloughs were offered recall. Just to make it clear. The reason that planes were parked and furloughs happened BEFORE the merger it was so US Airways could make it to the merger. Watch the crew news from PHX. Merger and integration heading near the end of that segment.

“one month that was how much time we had. US Airways had before they had to liquidate… We did not have a year we had a month.â€￾


This HUGELY benefited AWA pilots. If the NIC award was applied to the true and correct list we I do not believe that we would be in the mess we are.

How exactly did this delay benefit the west? At the time of the merger the east knew you were going under. Most of you were happy to have a job and would have settled for about anything. During that delay furloughs were recalled new flying was announced and two years of profitability. At that point you all had forgotten where you were and now felt in a much stronger position to demand much more.

Just how would a “correct listâ€￾ change anything? It would still be relative seniority not DOH. You need to explain that comment.

But AWA pilots saw "a prize" and went for it. Unfortunate, to say the least.3
And the east saw a prize by using the majority to elect USAPA. Never forget. The west did not built and impose the list. That was done by an outside neutral. No prize we all lost relative seniority.


As it is there is no end in sight - and no matter which way the lawsuit in PHX comes out there is going to be years of this mess. The US Airways pilots are not just going to give up, and now with their newly bolstered sense of entitlement from a home town judge neither are the AWA pilots.

Boeing Driver
The end is in sight. Sometime in the middle of February a federal judge is going to drop the gavel on the mess and put it to rest. If you are talking about the animosity that will be around I agree. The east pilots will not have to give up. A judge is going end this disagreement soon. When that happens there may be other things to argue about but seniority will not be one of them.

“A home town judgeâ€￾ I find that an interesting statement. Are you accusing a federal judge of bias? Any proof, evidence? It does not matter where this case is heard the facts are the same. This arbitration was done in Washington DC. Your backyard. The RICO suit was filed and dismissed with prejudice in CLT. USAPA’s backyard. The DAL/NWA arbitration was done in DC and LAX. Nobodies backyard. All of these case were decided against USAPA and the east idea of fair. Lean on what ever reason you need but the facts are the facts.
 
The PHX judge has already telegraphed how he thinks the DFR should go. A jury may or not agree with him,...
No jury. It'll be a bench trial with Wake presiding.
... but either way, we could be looking at years of appeals.
Don't expect a stay pending the appeal. Judge Wake didn't order an expedited trial just to have his ruling delayed by an inevitable appeal.
 
No jury. It'll be a bench trial with Wake presiding.Don't expect a stay pending the appeal. Judge Wake didn't order an expedited trial just to have his ruling delayed by an inevitable appeal.

Actually it is going to be a jury trial. Might want to check your facts. Either way there aren't any silver bullets out there. This is a step in the process nothing more nothing less.
 
Actually it is going to be a jury trial. Might want to check your facts. Either way there aren't any silver bullets out there. This is a step in the process nothing more nothing less.

Facts checked. Spoke to the lawyer on Sunday. It will be a bench trial. A portion of it COULD be a jury trial. Mainly the award portion might be sent to a jury.

USAPA asked for a jury trial but it has not been granted. The plaintiff reserved the right but are not asking for a jury trial.

The judge will be hearing this not a jury.

Yes it is a step. The step will be final. An appeal will not delay any ruling or award. Ask any reputable attorney about appeals.
 
I checked again and found it actually hasn't been determined. USAPA asked for a jury and we asked for a bench trial. TBD...
 
I checked again and found it actually hasn't been determined. USAPA asked for a jury and we asked for a bench trial. TBD...

Then why did you pronounce it would be a bench trial? More west spin disguised as truth? Since Wake has already telegraphed his opinion, if usapa wants a jury trial to get an unbiased result, it will be a jury trial. Thats the way the system works, Flyer, even in PHX. snoop-dog
 
Then why did you pronounce it would be a bench trial? More west spin disguised as truth?
Probably for the same reason that you and boeingplt pronounced that it would be a jury trial...was that east spin disguised as truth?

Jim
 
Probably for the same reason that you and boeingplt pronounced that it would be a jury trial...was that east spin disguised as truth?

Jim

Maybe they are aware of the fact that USAPA on December 1 submitted a jury demand to the court.

Maybe because even Judge Wake can't deny this demand, because the Seventh Amendment to the Constitution reads:

"In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."

Tell me how this is east spin? Please.

Wake will not determine the outcome of this case as much as the westies would like to think so.
 
I think you got my point, time to move on to another subject.

I have no idea what your point was in your response.. and neither you mine since you never addressed it in your response. :lol: But thinks for dispatching me to move on. :lol:
 
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