US pilot labor thread 6/21-6/27

[EastUS]

And now, here's the rest of the story:

http://www.nrtw.org/nce.htm

USAPA doesn't engage in any of these, so the audit should take all of about 5 minutes.

And the link you cited requires you to put any contested fees in escrow. I'm not USAPA staff, but I'll bet they'll happily go along with that. Have you sent your dues/germane fees to an escrow agent?

Oh, and there is a contract in place, BTW. If you think you can wiggle out of dues because USAPA didn't negotiate the contract, guess again. Using that logic, then you don't even have a contract. USAPA assumed every function of ALPA on April 18.

"There you go again"..with all those pesky details. Quite honestly..I don't want to see anyone fired over simple stupidity, especially when it's a byproduct of a hopefully temporary, and aberrational state of limited awareness, induced by stressfull circumstances...but..I'm past tired of trying to argue with them over their "Righteous Positon". Frankly...I've zero sympathy left.

 

[luvn737s]

And now, here's the rest of the story:

http://www.nrtw.org/nce.htm

USAPA doesn't engage in any of these, so the audit should take all of about 5 minutes.

So, USAPA is not going to get any money for all the organizing expenses including all the work done prior to April 17? I would like to see an audit that proves that. Better make that 6 minutes and for cryin' out loud, pay your high-school accounting class honor student for a whole days work.

 

[luvn737s]

And now, here's the rest of the story:

http://www.nrtw.org/nce.htm

USAPA doesn't engage in any of these, so the audit should take all of about 5 minutes.

So, USAPA is not going to get any money for all the organizing expenses including all the work done prior to April 17? I would like to see an audit that proves that. Better make that 6 minutes and for cryin' out loud, pay your high-school accounting class honor student for a whole days work.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

And now, here's the rest of the story:

http://www.nrtw.org/nce.htm

USAPA doesn't engage in any of these, so the audit should take all of about 5 minutes.

And the link you cited requires you to put any contested fees in escrow. I'm not USAPA staff, but I'll bet they'll happily go along with that. Have you sent your dues/germane fees to an escrow agent?

No - you are wrong about escrow. The law gives one the RIGHT to place contested monies into an escrow account - big difference.

But long before that point arrives, no one is required to pay a dime until a contract between "your employer and your union" is in place.

And then there's this:

"The Courts are still sorting out what types of expenses are chargeable and which are not chargeable. No union expense is chargeable to an objecting nonmember unless the union proves it is related to collective bargaining, contract administration and grievance adjustment before a neutral decisionmaker."

Looks like both the spirit and the letter of the law protects us westyz precisely from the tyranny fusapa thinks they can force down our throats.


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

 

[EastUS]

So, USAPA is not going to get any money for all the organizing expenses including all the work done prior to April 17? I would like to see an audit that proves that. Better make that 6 minutes and for cryin' out loud, pay your high-school accounting class honor student for a whole days work.

Well..a high-school honor student would at least understand that mammals are indeed, universally vertebrates, not to be confused with 😉.. Luvy: "You might want to sit down and put on a fresh Depends, but I doubt there is a vertibrate mammal out there (which eliminates all easties) who has any concern over your contempt." (note to self: Offer reverant thanks to The Allmighty that you're not stuck on an airplane..for hours..limited to the scintillating "wit" and subtle "genius" inherent in west posters' "conversation")....

Next thought = You aren't a subscribing Union member...you're stated intent's to destroy the Union that legally is your representative agency...and you've adamantly, and with some determination, chosen to have no vote and zero say in any/all things...so...honestly...I ask you...exactly who should be reasonably concerned in the least over what you personally, would "like to see"?

 

[EastUS]

Looks like both the spirit and the letter of the law protects us westyz ....../quote]

Yes..and St Nic will be coming down the chimney any second now...immediately followed by the Easter Bunny 🙄 Since when did the west concern itself with the law? Certainly..not where the issue of a legally elected and sanctioned Union's concerned.

No matter . Do whatever you believe's appropriate.

 

[nostradamus]

Looks like both the spirit and the letter of the law protects us westyz precisely from the tyranny fusapa thinks they can force down our throats.

"A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"

 

[Megasnoop]

QUOTE (tazz @ Jun 22 2008, 01:33 AM)
You see, I commute to the east coast on any other airline except Us Airways unless I can catch a west flight. EVERY captain I have requested a jumpseat from, and I mean EVERY, has asked whether I was an east or west pilot. The common consensus being that they can't tolerate the east pilots in close proximity. The east pilots must have an awful time getting to work these days.

I commute offline to the east coast, never have I been denied a jumpseat. Further, I have never been asked whether I was east or west. I have been queried as to what is going on over here, but that is absolutely it. I do this on a weekly basis so I have no idea how you can make the above statement. Think about it, other pilot groups don't really care what's going on at US Airways, they could care less, they have their own issues. Period.

Good morning, Six. This is West bravado and misinformation by the AWAPPA. Kind of like the mouse flipping off the eagle just before he gets grabbed.

I think TAZZ gave himself away. Putting it all together, he was a West merger committee member who lives near BOS. So he either commutes on west metal or SWA. His name's [not to be revealed on the board] or something like that. Anybody got a list?

I think I'll just keep commuting in from Bucks County. Wide-body PHL FO beats CLT CA reserve any day, and I never get denied a seat in my car. Snoop.

 

[Megasnoop]

QUOTE (NiceLandingCaptain @ Jun 23 2008, 12:44 AM)
I wonder what the fusapa deity thinks about this? Looks like no union dues required until a contract is in place, and audited financial information is provided. Here's the link:

http://www.nrtw.org/a/a_1_r.htm#RTWstate

And now, here's the rest of the story:

http://www.nrtw.org/nce.htm

USAPA doesn't engage in any of these, so the audit should take all of about 5 minutes.

And the link you cited requires you to put any contested fees in escrow. I'm not USAPA staff, but I'll bet they'll happily go along with that. Have you sent your dues/germane fees to an escrow agent?

Oh, and there is a contract in place, BTW. If you think you can wiggle out of dues because USAPA didn't negotiate the contract, guess again. Using that logic, then you don't even have a contract. USAPA assumed every function of ALPA on April 18.

BUS:

You've got to love this landing guy. He's quoting the most anti-union group in the country outside the Republican Party, The "National Right to Work" org. There's a real integrity Org for you.

He forgets there already IS a contract in place and USAPA's his collective bargaining agent.

"So, USAPA is not going to get any money for all the organizing expenses including all the work done prior to April 17? I would like to see an audit that proves that. Better make that 6 minutes and for cryin' out loud, pay your high-school accounting class honor student for a whole days work."

Then file a complaint, Landing, and you'll get your day in court. Maybe you can get NRTW to represent you.

 

[elixir]

No - you are wrong about escrow. The law gives one the RIGHT to place contested monies into an escrow account - big difference.

But long before that point arrives, no one is required to pay a dime until a contract between "your employer and your union" is in plac

Looks like both the spirit and the letter of the law protects us westyz precisely from the tyranny fusapa thinks they can force down our throats.


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

You have really lost it, uh, there is a contract that USAPA has inherited...ya know? the one you work under?

Secondly, the "RIGHT" to place dues in escrow you refer to? That doesn't imply the other option is to not pay, the other option is to pay the union directly.

There is no option to NOT pay "under the law" as you like to say.

What level of education does it take to get this?

Amazing.

 

[767jetz]

Oh, and there is a contract in place, BTW. If you think you can wiggle out of dues because USAPA didn't negotiate the contract, guess again. Using that logic, then you don't even have a contract. USAPA assumed every function of ALPA on April 18.

Hmmmm... Anyone else see the irony in this statement?

That would mean that you can't wiggle out of the Nicolau award either, even though USAPA didn't negotiate that. As you say, USAPA assumed EVERY function of ALPA.

Or should we modify that to say "every function of ALPA EXCEPT the parts we don't like." (ie: dues, yes... binding arbitration, no.) How convenient.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Hmmmm... Anyone else see the irony in this statement?

That would mean that you can't wiggle out of the Nicolau award either, even though USAPA didn't negotiate that. As you say, USAPA assumed EVERY function of ALPA.

Or should we modify that to say "every function of ALPA EXCEPT the parts we don't like." (ie: dues, yes... binding arbitration, no.) How convenient.

Mr United Spin Master,

Convenient-- No

Legal--Yes

Whats the news on the UAL furlough numbers? We can't wait to hear how wrong you are AGAIN.

Cheers

 

[AAA73Pilot]

So, USAPA is not going to get any money for all the organizing expenses including all the work done prior to April 17? I would like to see an audit that proves that.

The audit will occur in due time per the financial reporting laws for unions. Actually I would like to see one also to prove you wrong about the amount of donations given to USAPA. Seems like many of the west posters have disappeared who used to regularly say USAPA is broke. And that was before the election. To me it's obvious that your grasping for anything to say Nyaah Nyaah I told you so. Do yourself a favor, quit digging a dry well, everything was done legally and above board. My best advice, get over it. ALPA lost.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I think the bet is fairly hedged. As soon as the first person get their notice of dismissal and files suit for discrimination and a judge places a hold on terminations until all who are delinquent are treated equally, then we'll see what happens.

That's about the STUPIDEST thing I've read here in a long time. The company could terminate by alphabetical order, service date, crew base or any number of other ways, as long as they don't discriminate by individual. The company does NOT have to terminate all at once.

What idiot fed you that BS, or is it something you just made up and keep spouting?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

And why should anyone in the west choose to follow such misguided "leaders" with the dismal track record they have?

Is this another little westyism? Dismal? So misguided to be beyond belief. The leadership has anything but a "Dismal" track record. From nothing to replacing an entrenched union in how many months? 10? I think your attempt at discrediting the leadership, including name calling, outright falsehoods and personal attacks on USAPA as a whole speaks volumes of your so called integrity. Can't win the election? Thats OK we'll send crap through the mail, yeah, that ought to teach those "Dismal" track record leaders at USAPA a lesson. Your attempts at humor are really getting old. Bordering on adolescence.