US pilot labor thread 6/28-7/4

[nostradamus]

It's not a technicality, it's a fact, based on the dues obligation starting for everyone on the same date. If this was an issue with a mature union and a member or fee payer became delinquent, the same time table would apply, but the date the process would run out would be unique to their case. In this case 1800 people will come due at the same date. Yes the company will have to make choices, it will be interesting to see what they choose to be in their best interests.

Nic fever causes memory loss.

Your previous thoughts on how to handle those that do not pay dues, click here.

 

[cleardirect]

You are portraying the events of awappa members as a few phone calls to an 800 number. You need to be educated.

No education needed. I have read the complete amended compliant. Plus the replies from both defense attorneys. Have you?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make with the junk U-Turn puts out.


One thing U-Turn knows is that certain allegations in the charges are criminal. If they are true and can be proven who did them, a few pilots could be in trouble. Jamming a USPS sort machine and sending haz-mat (feces) through the mails isn’t a prank. The post office takes interfering with the mail and exposing its employees and the public to haz-mat very seriously. Anyone who thinks that investigating this kind of thing is too time-consuming for the USPS forgets that ALL of our fingerprints are on file at the TSA.


There sure are a lot if conditional statements in that paragraph. “IF IT IS TRUEâ€￾ Now if USAPA is so sure that there were criminal actions why have no criminal charges been filed? If laws were broken it is not up to USAPA it is up to the DA or what ever authority is responsible for it. Maybe they looked at it saw nothing illegal. If they have fingerprints from the letters why has no one been arrested yet?

Again I say just because a frivolous complaint has been filed does not mean that it is true.

 

[cleardirect]

And USAPA's so called "end run" was done in broad daylight, in plain sight, with everyone's knowledge, including the NMB, management, ALPA and the west. Bradford told you what he would do - and then he went out and did it. It was perfectly legal. More than anyone can say about AWAPPA's tactics.

That is an interesting statement. So was the Nicolau arbitration. It was done in broad daylight, transcripts available. ALPA national, AAA MEC, AAA MC all had a chance to watch. All agreed to whatever Nicoalu determined. It was done perfectly legal.

Why is USAPA and the east pilots not following that open process? Why are we expected to follow the rules but you are not?

 

[Piedmont1984]

That is an interesting statement. So was the Nicolau arbitration. It was done in broad daylight, transcripts available. ALPA national, AAA MEC, AAA MC all had a chance to watch. All agreed to whatever Nicoalu determined. It was done perfectly legal.

Why is USAPA and the east pilots not following that open process? Why are we expected to follow the rules but you are not?

Well at least I have a veiled admission from you that both processes were legal and done in the open. The answer to your question is simple. The two were diametrically opposed - and one of them prevailed.

 

[nostradamus]

No education needed. I have read the complete amended compliant. Plus the replies from both defense attorneys. Have you?

Again I say just because a frivolous complaint has been filed does not mean that it is true.

No I have not read these preliminary replies by the defense attorneys but these would be routine so early in the case.

I am sure the defense replies sounded like this and I will cut out the legal spegal and save 5000 words.

"My client is innocent." And the court set another date.

This is not a frivolous complaint, it is very questionable conduct by pilots of america west.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I could even imagine that after USAPA gleefully turns over the list to the company. Parker may very well tell USAPA that they should probably try and work something out with the west guys.

of course he will.

 

[EastUS]

Why don't those who feel so strongly about the jumpseat and dues issue force Bradford to face his responsibility to the west and deal with the issues that are fundemental to this war?

As for the jumpseat issues? Why don't you just grow up, and attempt to at least impersonate a Professional Pilot? As for your pathetic little "war"?...most especially; as to your noble "methods"/envelopes/etc?...Same comment. Bluntly speaking: The bizarre behaviors exhibited by the more zealous west folk serve as nothing more than an utter shame to the aviation community, and are properly good for nothing but generating contempt and outright disgust. Those who willfully practice the behaviors of mindless adolescants aren't worthy of the least sympathy or concern.

 

[sharktooth]

Let's just briefly look at another discretionary matter that has potentially not been followed for wrong or (company ) political reasons, specifically the single engine taxi. The purpose of this was to save the company money. It could also be argued it was to save a finite resource in the form of a fossil fuel that otherwise was not being used as efficiently as it should. The AAA union members used the discretionary portion of that policy for political purposes to send the company a message, and in the meantime wasted natural resources because they were pissed at management.

Uh, actually, there is a safety aspect to single engine taxi.

For years management told the east pilot to not single engine taxi. Unless conditions are somewhat ideal, there is a very real chance that personnel and/or equipment could be damaged or personnel killed. The chance for unexpected outcomes, especially in the NE is pretty high in the winter, as opposed to the relatively benign conditions experienced in the vast majority of the HP system. Due to Kirby's jet stream, among other reasons, aircraft are departing very heavy, making break-away thrust single engine a very real potential hazard.

It is just like closing the main cabin door ten minutes prior. Should an emergency evacuation be required prior to push, the main entry door will likely be unusable, an untenable situation for me.

Sometime you just have to put safety before the CEO's bonus. Sorry, Doug.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Uh, actually, there is a safety aspect to single engine taxi.

For years management told the east pilot to not single engine taxi. Unless conditions are somewhat ideal, there is a very real chance that personnel and/or equipment could be damaged or personnel killed. The chance for unexpected outcomes, especially in the NE is pretty high in the winter, as opposed to the relatively benign conditions experienced in the vast majority of the HP system. Due to Kirby's jet stream, among other reasons, aircraft are departing very heavy, making break-away thrust single engine a very real potential hazard.

It is just like closing the main cabin door ten minutes prior. Should an emergency evacuation be required prior to push, the main entry door will likely be unusable, an untenable situation for me.

Sometime you just have to put safety before the CEO's bonus. Sorry, Doug.

Although I do it upon arrival, I don't like sitting at the gate with an engine running, waiting for external power, while ground personnel move around the aircraft. And if the jetway driver is not there when I get there, my index finger goes immediately to the APU start button.

 

[luvn737s]

Nic fever causes memory loss.

Your previous thoughts on how to handle those that do not pay dues, click here.

Really? Nice attempt at a smear, but high and outside.

Yes delinquent dues payers may be subject to dismissal. Will they be? Not bloody likely! But I am enjoying the frothing at the mouth from you guys. You must have an extremely high threshold for disappointment and waiting on the first dramatic jetway showdown may put that to the test.

And I suspect the memory of all the west pilots will be surprisingly good for many years to come.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Really? Nice attempt at a smear, but high and outside.

Yes delinquent dues payers may be subject to dismissal. Will they be? Not bloody likely! But I am enjoying the frothing at the mouth from you guys. You must have an extremely high threshold for disappointment and waiting on the first dramatic jetway showdown may put that to the test.

And I suspect the memory of all the west pilots will be surprisingly good for many years to come.

Not may, but WILL. You need to reread your contract. There is NOTHING in it that makes termination an option. It's a REQUIREMENT.

 

[nostradamus]

Really? Nice attempt at a smear, but high and outside.

Yes delinquent dues payers may be subject to dismissal. Will they be? Not bloody likely!

Smear, I just put a link to one of your quotes.

10 pilots will be asked to pay up dues on that day or be terminated. The pilots will pay up or be fired. Other pilots will then rethink their positions, it is the law. They will be fired and west will have 10 less furloughs. The next day same.

I agree with your quote, pre nic fevor. They should be fired.

PS where did you get that term "not bloody likely", when you were replacing striking pilots in Australia?

 

[luvthe9]

Smear, I just put a link to one of your quotes.

10 pilots will be asked to pay up dues on that day or be terminated. The pilots will pay up or be fired. Other pilots will then rethink their positions, it is the law. They will be fired and west will have 10 less furloughs. The next day same.

I agree with your quote, pre nic fevor. They should be fired.

PS where did you get that term "not bloody likely", when you were replacing striking pilots in Australia?

They also better fire 10 of our east pilots, some are not paying dues, start at the most senior!!!

 

[cleardirect]

Well at least I have a veiled admission from you that both processes were legal and done in the open. The answer to your question is simple. The two were diametrically opposed - and one of them prevailed.

UMMM! What? What kind of none answer is that?

Do you think that if two things are “diametrically opposedâ€￾ that you can just toss out the one that you don’t like? As you said BOTH were legal. Why are the east pilots ignoring a legal award?

Before you get to excited, there is not a TA or a contract in place yet. So that chapter has not been written yet. The Nicolau will prevail. So we both get what is legal. You get USAPA we all get Nicolau seniority.

 

[luvn737s]

PS where did you get that term "not bloody likely", when you were replacing striking pilots in Australia?

Never been to Australia. I hear it's pretty nice.

Keep tryin' though, maybe you'll get something to stick!