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Capt Hogg: "Tell me again why you diverted."

Pilot: "Because we had an emergency"

Capt Hogg: "What was the nature of your emergency?"

Pilot: "Our jumpseater violated the agreement I had him sign by reading his smut novel"

Capt Hogg: "Say What!?"
 
....and you fools wonder why west pilots don't want to carry east pilots in the jumpseat?

You and all west folks are welcome on "my" jumpseat tazz. To me? = It's a matter of not disrespecting the profession, and having some actual principles that exist outside of any east-west, temporary BS. I'll not conduct myself so as to harm other pilots within the workplace in any way, nor do any BS that harms the profession as a whole...period.

Conduct yourselves as wholly undisciplined, pimply faced, pathetic teenagers (at best) with "attitude" if you wish..just dont' turn around and try to tell me that anyone doing so's worthy of the title "captain" of anything more than a set of Leggos...Perhaps your last posted press release has it right = "little kid".....

I don't ride west aircraft, nor does this inconvenience me personally...but it's just plain sickening behavior to have any even remote association with...
 
Wrong. It's no big personal "favor; It's merely professional courtesy, as befits any association of supposed "professionals"..although it's sadly clear that many out west have never developed that basic understanding. I place the quotes around "my" jumpseat by way of noting that I'm merely the temporary commander of the aircraft, and that I'm merely entrusted with the same, and that things aren't "ALL about MEEE!!". There are such things as actual principles..and especially given all the whining about suposed, self-assigned "INTEGRITY" that's come from the west....Well...it'd be nice to actually see at least some real life support for that.....

Ya know the difference between us is simply this; I do not view myself as some noble with a self assigned title of "professional airline pilot." In fact I do not assign much credit at all to what I do for a living. As clearly demonstrated by the "diversity" within our ranks we have the full spectrum of human beings included therein. So, no I do not think what I do is special. And therefore do not lend much in the way of credence to this idea of "professionals." It ain't rocket science! And the days of "completing the mission" no matter the "self sacrifice" are over. The Air Force and citizens of this nation thank you. Move on. You have been reduced to just flying a bus between point A and B. But do not fret over this as its still a fun job that beats sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. Many other jobs viewed as lesser jobs can thought of as professional in my book! I consider the garbage man a professional. Or plumbers! Professional merely suggests that you do this for a living... e.g. professional baseball player. Claiming that it is a professional courtesy as opposed to a favor is nothing more than semantics. You know what I meant! And don't worry if I ever need a "favor" and seek the privilege of "your" jumpseat out of DCA I promise to give the necessary respect due...

EastUS: Wrong. It's no big personal "favor; It's merely professional courtesy, as befits any association of supposed "professionals"

I guess therein lie the rub... I see it a favor while you see it as a professional courtesy that you somehow deserve. Like it's owed to you.


BTW 2.53 miles completed today at an average pace of 16'34"... Felt good and am looking forward to actually running.
 
C'mon! That is one of the most idiotic posts I've seen to date. First off this is nothing more that a bunch of children having a pissing contest, but you know what?! If the CA asks me to behave a certain way then fine! IT'S HIS/HER AIRPLANE AND I AM ASKING FOR A FAVOR!!!! It's not your right! It's your privilege!!!! You want a ride? Fine. But you'll kindly do as the CA requests. If you were riding on SWA or DAL and you saw this letter how would you behave? Would you cry to CP office or the jumpseat coordinator? Or would you just thank them for the ride and say to yourself as you get off at your destination, this guy is an a$$. Yeah the latter...

BTW Mach can you please inform me as to which reg the CA would be violating if he decided to return to the airport? I'm quite sure we can have a "hilarious" discussion over this one.

The difference is the Westies are doing it just to be idiots. Fine, I have a Westie ride my J/S about twice a month. Guess what? no more. You idiots out west want a pissing contest you got it.
 
The difference is the Westies are doing it just to be idiots. Fine, I have a Westie ride my J/S about twice a month. Guess what? no more. You idiots out west want a pissing contest you got it.
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This was the form I was talking about a couple of days ago (see New Jumpseat Form) and no one seemed interested in it. I figured it was nothing and it would blow away.

My questions are is this an approved USAirways document and if so where is it in the FOM or CBS Bulletins?

Finally, Southwest is as great a threat to this company as anything else, yet I and everyone else gladly welcome them to fly on us. Does a Southwest pilot have to sign this form? Or are be being discrimianted because we were from the East side?

MM
 
I would theorize that for it to be discrimination you would need to prove that you are entitled to that jumpseat. Since the jumpseat is at the captain's discretion that would rule out discrimination. The other argument against discrimination is that there appears to be evidence of jumpseaters, albeit few, who have caused a distraction to the crew by various acts done while the aircraft was being operated. Since, as far as I know, the evidence appears to have only come from US Airways pilots, there is no reason to need to apply it to other pilots not employed by US Airways. (Note that I did not say East pilots or West pilots, but rather the entire pilot workforce at US Airways.)

The best solution, IMO, would be for all US Airways pilots to behave like adults and respect the wishes of the captain, whether he/she asks for no union or company business to be discussed or to allow it up until the captain asks for the topic(s) to be dropped. However, since by the time the latter may take place the flight crew may be agitated and distracted, there may be a valid argument to be made for no discussions of union or company business at all. Finally, there is no reason at all for any "gotcha" behavior of any kind on the flight deck.
 
I would theorize that for it to be discrimination you would need to prove that you are entitled to that jumpseat. Since the jumpseat is at the captain's discretion that would rule out discrimination. The other argument against discrimination is that there appears to be evidence of jumpseaters, albeit few, who have caused a distraction to the crew by various acts done while the aircraft was being operated. Since, as far as I know, the evidence appears to have only come from US Airways pilots, there is no reason to need to apply it to other pilots not employed by US Airways. (Note that I did not say East pilots or West pilots, but rather the entire pilot workforce at US Airways.)

The best solution, IMO, would be for all US Airways pilots to behave like adults and respect the wishes of the captain, whether he/she asks for no union or company business to be discussed or to allow it up until the captain asks for the topic(s) to be dropped. However, since by the time the latter may take place the flight crew may be agitated and distracted, there may be a valid argument to be made for no discussions of union or company business at all. Finally, there is no reason at all for any "gotcha" behavior of any kind on the flight deck.

Duely noted; everytime I see a Southwest jet it aggrivates me knowing that essentially they are after our best routes.

Also, yes it's time to act like adults here and I've had former HP pilots on my jumpseat to FLA and they are always welcome. If fact, I don't even remember talking about any of this on the flight. They were complete gentlemen (sorry but they were both guys) and I enjoyed their company.]

MM
 
The difference is the Westies are doing it just to be idiots. Fine, I have a Westie ride my J/S about twice a month. Guess what? no more. You idiots out west want a pissing contest you got it.

I think you and all of us out east should be the bigger men and welcome the west folks onboard. What goes around comes around to these childish antics.
 
I heard a story that got passed thru the CP of a USX carrier, I wonder if its related to this...

I heard about a CLT-based Airbus FO whose son had a school project about their parent's jobs, and so the father decided to video tape some aspects of flying. He was recording what he could, when allowed, and obviously takeoff and landing are 2 parts of the job you can't be sitting in your right seat recording, so he was recording the night landing of a west A320 when the crew obviously didn't appreciate being video taped.

does this sound right?

regarding video taping in the cockpit - I've always found flying interesting, and have about 20 hours logged... never pursued it because of the Airbus (i'm ADD, I can't sit still, and the airbus makes it appear the pilots pretty much watch it fly itself, except for takeoff and most landings). But I would personally find it interesting to watch the take off and landing sequences from a jumpseat, be it in person or video.
 
The difference is the Westies are doing it just to be idiots. Fine, I have a Westie ride my J/S about twice a month. Guess what? no more. You idiots out west want a pissing contest you got it.


Jeeze, as a passenger I will not ride on your airplane. You judgmernt is to poor.
 
Jeeze, as a passenger I will not ride on your airplane. You judgmernt is to poor.


If you think he has poor judgement, what do you think of a guy who on his day off came up with his own "Jumpseat" form!
 
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