US Pilot Thread for Week 9/21-9/28

[machtuck]

yeah,yeah...

Yep, if a CA wants to create a personal policy whereby a simple calculator or mp3 player will cause a declaration and landing at nearest suitable (according to the letter)...then I find the results of that idiotic policy not only laughable, but deserved. You betcha.

Hey, there's lots of ways to lose your ticket in this business...as I'm sure you know, this one is just ridiculous...Not only is the FAA going to have some problems with him, so will the company.

And if that makes my "unionism" ideals questionable to you, so be it.

 

[nic4us]

A West Pilot is circulating a form for the West Pilots to use that will require any East Pilot to read and sign if that East Pilot wishs to ride on their jump seats.

This paper informs the East Pilot that the West Crew is not happy about taking an East Pilot on his jump seat, but as a professional, he will do it provided the East Pilot first sign this paper.

This paper stipulates that you will not talk, nor read nor use any kind of electrical device including computers, MP 3 Player, IPOD, etc. while occupying his jumpseat. If you do sign this paper and he does allow you to ride and you do turn on an electrical device, he will land at the nearest suitable airport to put you off.

Once you sign this paper, he will make a copy and hand it to the PHX Chief Pilot's office.

I understand that the PHL Chief Pilot's office is aware of this paper and they cannot do anything about it.

For those that may ride on a West jump seat, you need to be aware that this is what you may be faced with.

IS THIS REALLY GOING ON, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COPY OF THIS LETTER, ARE ALL WEST PILOTS DOING THIS. UNBELIEVEABLE IF TRUE A NEW LOW HAS BEEN SET.

This is probably true, and most likely one of the 18 pilots being sued. Which by the way shows that they are trying very hard to come up with a way of allowing east to jumpseat with them instead of just adopting a blanket refusal policy. However this is just speculation on my part.

Frankly, If I were an east pilot and I was confronted with this I would probably just say thanks but no thanks, and leave it at that.

We have had bad stories on the jumpseat from both sides, but I can assure you that although you may encounter a strange incident, the vast majority of west will simply approve any jumpseat request and let you ride. If anything you might get a brieffing that union politics will not be discussed.

Bottom line is if you feel uncomfortable with the situation, make other arrangements.

 

[tazz]

The firings continue to proceed through the process. As to the "authority'...I like NYC's idea, pull out a calculator to add up your logbook at 10,001' and watch that captains ticket go right out the window when the FAA is done with him.

That will be hilarious....I'm sorely tempted to do it.

....and you fools wonder why west pilots don't want to carry east pilots in the jumpseat?

 

[machtuck]

....and you fools wonder why west pilots don't want to carry east pilots in the jumpseat?

Nope, don't ride on west aiplanes..at all.

But you cannot make a case that this "policy" is rational, or professional, at all.

Most of the knee-jerk reactions going on around here are in direct response to what is becoming increasingly irrational behavior by some pissed-off west guys.

Will it ever end? I've already heard the PHL CP say that beginning with denied jumpseats, and now this 'west form"...the company is about to pull the jumpseat altogether...and it is going to be the west pilots to blame...

congrats,

Who knows....maybe thats what you guys want to have happen.

 

[nic4us]

Nope, don't ride on west aiplanes..at all.

But you cannot make a case that this "policy" is rational, or professional, at all.

Most of the knee-jerk reactions going on around here are in direct response to what is becoming increasingly irrational behavior by some pissed-off west guys.

Will it ever end? I've already heard the PHL CP say that beginning with denied jumpseats, and now this 'west form"...the company is about to pull the jumpseat altogether...and it is going to be the west pilots to blame...

congrats,

Who knows....maybe thats what you guys want to have happen.

If jumpseat is pulled altogether, it will not be west to blame. We would all share the blame. East is not blameless in this matter, as a matter of fact it could be argued East is the instigator,but that would be pointless.

Again, if you feel uncomfortable, make other arrangements.

Tachmuck may find self deadheading on west equiptment in the future, and have ones fears denied.

 

[tazz]

Nope, don't ride on west aiplanes..at all.

But you cannot make a case that this "policy" is rational, or professional, at all.

Most of the knee-jerk reactions going on around here are in direct response to what is becoming increasingly irrational behavior by some pissed-off west guys.

Will it ever end? I've already heard the PHL CP say that beginning with denied jumpseats, and now this 'west form"...the company is about to pull the jumpseat altogether...and it is going to be the west pilots to blame...

congrats,

Who knows....maybe thats what you guys want to have happen.

machtuck,

Allowing for the fact that you always pull your facts straight out of your rectum.....

I have twice been denied jumpseast on east metal but only after hearing what I would summarize at a pissed off east guy displaying irrational behavior.

Since then I avoid east altogether when commuting.

In addition, the one time I considered letting an east guy on my jumpseat I requested that we don't speak of union politics, the company, or the Nicolau decision. He would not comply. He left my aircraft angry and threatening to call the CP office.

So.... once again, you fools wonder why west guys don't want to take east guys in the jumpseat?

 

[Tiger 1050]

The firings continue to proceed through the process. As to the "authority'...I like NYC's idea, pull out a calculator to add up your logbook at 10,001' and watch that captains ticket go right out the window when the FAA is done with him.

That will be hilarious....I'm sorely tempted to do it.

C'mon! That is one of the most idiotic posts I've seen to date. First off this is nothing more that a bunch of children having a pissing contest, but you know what?! If the CA asks me to behave a certain way then fine! IT'S HIS/HER AIRPLANE AND I AM ASKING FOR A FAVOR!!!! It's not your right! It's your privilege!!!! You want a ride? Fine. But you'll kindly do as the CA requests. If you were riding on SWA or DAL and you saw this letter how would you behave? Would you cry to CP office or the jumpseat coordinator? Or would you just thank them for the ride and say to yourself as you get off at your destination, this guy is an a$$. Yeah the latter...

BTW Mach can you please inform me as to which reg the CA would be violating if he decided to return to the airport? I'm quite sure we can have a "hilarious" discussion over this one.

 

[machtuck]

1) This JS issue doesn't affect me, as I said, I don't JS on west aircraft...AND I didn't do anything with his letter...re-read my post.

2) I never cited a "reg" that was being violated, did I?...but I'm sure he'll be dancing for both the fed and the company over a declared, possibly overweight landing at (wherever) over something like a calculator.

This is not my thing, I don't even ask for rides on west aircraft...so re-direct your anger elsewhere. But I do illustrate how stupid this all is, and we ALL are getting very close to losing the JS companywide over crap like this...

 

[EastUS]

C'mon! That is one of the most idiotic posts I've seen to date. First off this is nothing more that a bunch of children having a pissing contest,

Jumpseats should never be used in any such contest. I've had a very few west folks on "my" jumpseat and had no problems at all, nor felt any need for any condescending and fully insulting BS "briefing" as to what's "politically correct", whether or not the person should speak (unbelievable..are many of out west truly such utter children?..nevermind) and how they're supposed to conduct themselves. That ANY, even half-azzed excuse for a "captain" would ever put out such BS's beneath contempt....Period!

As for: "If you were riding on SWA or DAL and you saw this letter how would you behave? " I would offer the same observation I'd give to anyone so hopelessly childish and utterly idiotic = "People..either this letter is a joke..or YOU are total jokes as people".....

Lastly; If ANY, even the most pathetic imitations of an actual aviator, ..much less even at all rational person..would see some "need" for landing passengers without reaching their destination..merely becasue some jumpseater turns on a freaking IPod, calculator or such...well..You've GOT to be freaking kidding me that such an utter moron's even allowed to drive a car/vote/and brush his teeth even...much less "captain" any aircraft.... Keep any and all sharp objects away from any such creatures' diapers......and make sure an actual adult is always in attendance.....

 

[Tiger 1050]

But I do illustrate how stupid this all is, and we ALL are getting very close to losing the JS companywide over crap like this...

You know what?! I am starting to think that may be the best idea... But then the company may find they have a lot of no-shows. Let's face it most of us couldn't care less if we get to work or not these days... As for me, I can't see myself going the extra mile anymore for this sh1thole of a company. "Hey scheduling! Yeah I was unable to get to my trip 'cause the airplane was full and we no longer can jumpseat. No. Sorry! Ever since we closed our jumpseat the off line jumpseats closed too. Yeah it's a reciprocal deal..."

 

[machtuck]

Well, thats where it's heading with stuff like this going on. Hey, if Tazz's story is correct, then that particular east pilot should be denied next time. The JS is no place for politics...from either side. If the CA chooses to NOT discuss the merger, or NIC, or whatever, that should be honored for the flight.

To fabricate a totally unrealistic and potentially financially damaging (to the company) document to be signed indicating the behaviors or actions that will result in an emergency landing enroute is just over the top...


period.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Jumpseats should never be used in any such contest.

I totally agree!

I've had a very few west folks on "my" jumpseat and had no problems at all, nor felt any need for any condescending and fully insulting BS "briefing" as to what's "politically correct", whether or not the person should speak (unbelievable..are many of out west truly such utter children?..nevermind) and how they're supposed to conduct themselves. That ANY, even half-azzed excuse for a "captain" would ever put out such BS's beneath contempt....Period!

Nevertheless it is his/her airplane and if you want a ride you should remember it is a favor to YOU! If he/she turns out to be an a$$, so be it. Get your ride and complain in the crewroom. Running to daddy in the CP office is what's childish.

As for: "If you were riding on SWA or DAL and you saw this letter how would you behave? " I would offer the same observation I'd give to anyone so hopelessly childish and utterly idiotic = "People..either this letter is a joke..or YOU are total jokes as people".....

Call them what you wish, however, it does not change the fact that you are asking them for a favor! You and the other east pilots are making it sound as if this is your right and you'll take what ever jumpseat you wish without regard to who it actually belongs to. Which is ironic since you like to point out that it is YOUR jumpseat when refering to such.

lastly; If ANY, event the most pathetic imitations of an actual aviator, ..much less even at all rational person..would see some "need" for landing passengers without reaching their destination..merely becasue some jumpseater turns on a freking IPod, calculator or such...well..You've GOT to freaking kidding me that such an utter moron's even allowed to drive a car/vote/and brush his teeth even. Keep any'll sharp objects away from any such creatures' diapers......and make sure an actual adult is always in attendance.....

Blah Blah Blah... You know as well as I do that this is mostly webboard rhetoric at this point. Maybe the letter does exist. As I said before it's his cockpit. He can do what he wishes... Either go with it, or as someone else suggested, make other arrangements.

 

[machtuck]

I agree, it's a favor, not a right...to get the JS. I also agree the CA gets to request certain topics as off-limits for the flight...absolutely.

I have seen the form...SOMEONE ELSE HAD IT.

It said, (I'm paraphrasing from memory)

NO personal bags, effects, or property shall be in the cockpit.
NO electronic equipment of ANY kind shall be used or turned on in flight.
Cameras, cell phones, PDA's, MP3 players...etc.

Any use of the above items will result in an emergency landing being performed at the nearest suitable airport.


gimmie a break.

(any idea how much $$ that would cost the company...if it even happened ONCE)

 

[EastUS]

Nevertheless it is his/her airplane and if you want a ride you should remember it is a favor to YOU!

Wrong. It's no big personal "favor; It's merely professional courtesy, as befits any association of supposed "professionals"..although it's sadly clear that many out west have never developed that basic understanding. I place the quotes around "my" jumpseat by way of noting that I'm merely the temporary commander of the aircraft, and that I'm merely entrusted with the same, and that things aren't "ALL about MEEE!!". There are such things as actual principles..and especially given all the whining about suposed, self-assigned "INTEGRITY" that's come from the west....Well...it'd be nice to actually see at least some real life support for that.....

 

[EastUS]

Any use of the above items will result in an emergency landing being performed at the nearest suitable airport.

Be serious!!??..Oh...you are, and said letters exist? Whew!..Ok then. Whatever else is true..no such hopeless morons as would issue that proclamation should even be flying anyone's dogs around. Talk about an obvious grade of Unsatisfactory in Judgement....Words simply arent' enough here. Too bad that there was no quality control/Washout factor within their earlier "training"......