US Pilots labor Discussion 12/4-

[Pi brat]

Okay then, on a completely different tack.

Remember that Hemenway letter that said the company had the right to impose the east contract on the West? What makes you think the company (after an unfavorable arbitration ruling) would hesitate to use the West contract as the surviving contract and impose it on the east. You do not get your snapback, and we have also completed pilot seniority integration, one list, one certificate, one contract. Sorry, you did not even get to vote on a TA to ratify the Nic, but thems the breaks. You will still get to vote on the next TA that has an injuction mandating use of the already established Nic.

I believe their logic in that was the US Airways was the surviving carrier, hence the right to use their contract. That would not be the case in reverse. If the really had the right to do that, why do you think they haven't?

 

[Poug Darker]

It has been reported that V.P. Labor Al Hemenway, Beth Holdren, corporate counsel, Paul Jones and outside corporate counsel Robert Segal were present.

That's a lot of horse power. Why were all 4 of them there? They could read the transcripts and listen to the tapes just like us, why the major presence?

Anyone care to read the tea leaves?

Ah, the tea leaves say: the future is murky. But, in the mist, I see that a tall, handsome suitor may emerge with a fat wallet to propose a marriage. He is an American, that is certain. He is strong where we are weakest, and we are strong where he is weak. A good marriage, for sure...except for the rising bird in the southwest. It casts a pallor on the union. The suitor suggests we leave this part to another. A familiar Republican emerges from the mists and offers to take the orphan, strengthing its own house. In the east, peace shall reign, as the Star is put aside in favor of One World for all. The west shall become part of the New Frontier, and strike out to claim new realms with a new king. The long battle for the wisened-ones rightful place will be over, the generals satiated with pockets of gold, and a new era will be born as the death of the old will not be celebrated.
Oh, sorry, it was all a daydream.
Cheers.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Apparently delusions will never stop for some on the East. You're getting the Nic and all indicators point to LOA 93 until there is a joint contract.

 

[Poug Darker]

Why are all the union reps being called to a meeting in DFW tomorrow?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I’m still looking for “my claimâ€￾ that every pilot would reach the top of the list. If I did say that, it would be absurd. I was responding about a particular individual, who’s situation is like many others (not all).

My mistake then - I took your "16-1/2 year pilot" to mean a pretty senior furloughee and by extension a furloughee in general at the time of the merger, not a specific individual.

As for the rest, you're entitled to your opinion but it's just that - an opinion.

Jim

 

[aquagreen73s]

Why are all the union reps being called to a meeting in DFW tomorrow?

Perhaps its related to Sieglel, Hemenway and gang being at the oral arguments yesterday. The one impediment to a transaction is clearly over.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Finally got to listen to the oral arguments. For a change, counselor Seham was lucid and concise. Congrats. Counselor Jacobs is obviously a bit of a slow talker which makes him a little tedious to listen to. The pause USAPA finds so revealing is very obviously just Jacobs style and not indicative of anything.

As far as guessing whom the judges favored I see no reason for either side to claim victory.

 

[HPDriver]

Parker doesn't get to decide. The arbitrator does.

Of course Parker is going to take the position he does. Who would expect anything different? Folks around here accuse the man of constantly lying through his teeth, but when he weighs in on LOA 93 pay rates, suddenly it's gospel.

I'm going to have to go with Parker on this one.

Snapbacks were a key condition to doing this merger and I'm sure he did some heavy DD on that very topic. And with USAPA's record on winning arbs, I don't think Parker is losing any sleep.

 

[HPDriver]

If the LOA 93 arbitrator rules in favor of the pilots, and the 9th upholds Wake, fully expect to live with your current contract until hell freezes over.

That scenario is the least likely. Ain't going to happen.

 

[nic4us]

I believe their logic in that was the US Airways was the surviving carrier, hence the right to use their contract. That would not be the case in reverse. If the really had the right to do that, why do you think they haven't?

They did not do it because putting the west on the east contract would not save that much money, sure hourly rate would go down, as well as vacations etc. but PBS would go away, permanent vacany bids would arise, differential pay, etc. etc. negating a lot of the cost savings. Our overall cost are relatively equal. However, if the east gets a snapback, that contract cost rise significantly, and the east suddenly becomes much more expensive than the west.

In all honesty, I do not believe the company will pull any extreme shenanigans. If the arbitrator finds for usapa, the company will pay, but they will have to find a way to pay, and that most likely leads straight back to the newly higher cost east contract.

 

[cactusboy53]

Why are all the union reps being called to a meeting in DFW tomorrow?

Wait for it.....wiat for it.......FLAME BAIT!!! :jerry:

 

[nic4us]

Ah, the tea leaves say: the future is murky. But, in the mist, I see that a tall, handsome suitor may emerge with a fat wallet to propose a marriage. He is an American, that is certain.

But alas, this traveled American has wed before, and his harem is Trans World. His many brides demand their place ahead of the newcomer. He forges a prenuptial with his bride to be, so she can take her place behind his favorites. She finds herself Allied against herself, but has no recourse, for no other suitor wants the divorcee.

 

[HPDriver]

Oh, sorry, it was all a daydream.
Cheers.

Now that's an understatement.

 

[Al Legheny]

Ah, the tea leaves say: the future is murky. But, in the mist, I see that a tall, handsome suitor may emerge with a fat wallet to propose a marriage. He is an American, that is certain. He is strong where we are weakest, and we are strong where he is weak. A good marriage, for sure...except for the rising bird in the southwest. It casts a pallor on the union. The suitor suggests we leave this part to another. A familiar Republican emerges from the mists and offers to take the orphan, strengthing its own house. In the east, peace shall reign, as the Star is put aside in favor of One World for all. The west shall become part of the New Frontier, and strike out to claim new realms with a new king. The long battle for the wisened-ones rightful place will be over, the generals satiated with pockets of gold, and a new era will be born as the death of the old will not be celebrated.
Oh, sorry, it was all a daydream.
Cheers.

"You use your tongue prettier than a $2 whore." - Slim Pickens to Hedley Lamar / Blazing Saddles ...

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Seham. All hat, no cattle.