US Pilots labor Discussion 12/4-

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I am a long time lurker, just trying to mend feces. Why do you wnat to make it political and get a name that looks like mine? Seems kind of childish to me, but maybe not fore a west pilot.

Sad what you have become. Their are some good people in Phoenix.

Enjoy the jungle!

So you left lurking to come and mend "feces"?

Knock yourself out.

 

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Mr. Nicolau, Judge Wake, and the 9th Cir prevent jungle rules from being the way the East dominated pilot group operates. Law and order is alive and well.

Whacha boyz gonna do when you have no union to fight? Didn't think of that, did ya???
You see, either way we win this. Bradford knew this could be a possibility of loosing Addington, and although he never publicly admitted it, this was his plan b.

YOu will not see a combined contract for at least another five years, and voting USAPA off the property will only allow us to have to appoint a new representative body to negotiate with the company, just like we did with ALPA being booted. Guess what, we will have to start all over again in negotiations! Gee, so sad. Oh well, looks like we will both get what we deserve!

Stay safe!!!

 

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Whacha boyz gonna do when you have no union to fight? Didn't think of that, did ya???
You see, either way we win this. Bradford knew this could be a possibility of loosing Addington, and although he never publicly admitted it, this was his plan b.

YOu will not see a combined contract for at least another five years, and voting USAPA off the property will only allow us to have to appoint a new representative body to negotiate with the company, just like we did with ALPA being booted. Guess what, we will have to start all over again in negotiations! Gee, so sad. Oh well, looks like we will both get what we deserve!

Stay safe!!!

OMG!

Is that you JAA?

 

[nic4us]

Who do you think has more influence on Tempe?

If my choices are usapa (the east) and a federal marshall serving warrants, I am going with the later.

 

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If my choices are usapa (the east) and a federal marshall serving warrants, I am going with the later.

I'll second that one.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I am a long time lurker, just trying to mend feces.

You really can be funny when you want to...

Jim

 

[aquagreen73s]

If my choices are usapa (the east) and a federal marshall serving warrants, I am going with the later.

For some this is turning into one of the usual scenes in "COPS." Bare chested, drunk hard headed redneck screaming threats at the police about knowing his rights, how they'll pay, etc. being led to the back of the police car in cuffs. Not representative of all on the other side of the Mississippi by any means, but based on some of the comments (and the special PM I got from East US the other night...thanks East!), some aren't going to accept reality. I hope for their own sake and that of their families that they don't do anything stupid.

 

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You really can be funny when you want to...

Jim

Jim,
I meant to say fences. Forgot the N

And who is JAA??? Never herd of him.

Just trying to move this train forward. If only some from the east would to.

Merry Christmas

 

[Metroyet]

I hope for their own sake and that of their families that they don't do anything stupid.

A little too late with that sentiment. There's more stupid than you can shake a stick at over there.

 

[aquagreen73s]

A little too late with that sentiment. There's more stupid than you can shake a stick at over there.

They sure aren't concerned about West families given their malicious RICO suit and how there was smug rejoicing over there after their boy Bular announced West furloughs last summer.

 

[HPDriver]

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Two points to make.

One, I do not see "black" while you see "white", I see "black and blue" for the entire pilot group, brought to us courtesy of usapa and their complete refusal to acknowledge and/or grasp the situation they are in. Everyone, and I mean everyone, the company, the ceo, your former ceo, the mediator, the arbitrator, your merger counsel, the West merger committee, told you you would not get DOH. After the fact, add, the West pilot group,J. Prater, the Rice committee, the NW merger committee, the UA merger committee, even your prospective lawyers, and now judge Wake and a jury said, you are not going to get DOH and your persuit of it is illegal. Thanks to usapa's outright idiocy, we are all "black and blue" and quite a few dollars poorer. So lets quit the "your lawsuit" BS and put the blame right where it belongs, this is the east majority/usapa's fault end of discussion.

Two, the east pilots have no special protection under title 7. Actually the age discrimination in employment act (ADEA) protects the West pilots from any altering of the Nic, if we do end up "at will". Go take a look at the ADEA again, it prohibits employers from discriminating against employees aged 40 or older. Newsflash, the overwhelming majority of West pilots have already reached their 40th birthday, and are protected by the ADEA. The ADEA specifically says, an employer cannot deny an employee pay and benefits when the only justification is age, nor may an employer classify employees into groups on the basis of age, that unfairly deprives workers of employment opportunities. There are no "special circumstances" the east has over the West. Unless of course by "special" you mean, in need of a different curriculm, because you cannot grasp the subject matter the rest of the world is using.

What world do you live in???

Obviously NOT the real one.

This will NEVER be solved.

I will say this: I will be leading the charge for the formation of an LLC as well if your side prevails....I will support dissolution of USAPA and support a "straw man" election...NO UNION!

Then we can let the company decide....if they decide the nicolau then we can sue under title 7 and, as in US Air v. Barnett, taking an UNREASONABLE position contrary to normal seniority lists.

Again, I SEE SCOTUS intervention.

 

[HPDriver]

Again, I SEE SCOTUS intervention.

You guys see everything through those rose-colored glasses, don't you.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim,
I meant to say fences. Forgot the N

I wasn't even talking about that, just your posts telling the West why they were gonna lose. If that's "mending fences" then I'm Bill Gates.

No I was talking about posts like the following (which is every post you've made except the response to me) - "mending fences" in your own special way, I guess.

Whacha boyz gonna do when you have no union to fight? Didn't think of that, did ya???
You see, either way we win this. Bradford knew this could be a possibility of loosing Addington, and although he never publicly admitted it, this was his plan b.
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All of the top pilot management is east.
All of the flight additions are east.
All of the experience is east.
All of the pilot majority is east.

Who do you think has more influence on Tempe?
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USAPA is ending, and with it comes all of the stupid legal crusades you have made against the east pilots.
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Spot on observation busdriver!!! [response to busdriver's post that West posts are becoming "increasingly shrill".]
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True words, brother! We will win this together! With the reign of terror with ALPA behind us we can only expect things to get better- just give it itime! [in response to lubthe9's post about the majority]
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Sounds like just more "You West guys just capitulate and everything will be fine (for the East majority)."

Mending fences, huh...

Jim

 

[aquagreen73s]

I will say this: I will be leading the charge for the formation of an LLC as well if your side prevails....I will support dissolution of USAPA and support a "straw man" election...NO UNION!

Guess what, there's case law on this. It won't work, but we don't expect that to stop you. Go ahead.

Remember..."COPS is filmed on location with the men and women of law enforcement."