US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/1- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[cubfan]

3 parties where brought to this pilot TA/merger which is a basic simple contract when you get down to it. A contract in the simplest terms is A MEETING OF THE MINDS and this happened and was signed per the TA.

The company and the west pilots upheld their end of the contract. The east pilots/usapa/east alpa has not.

Federal damages trial will be simple and fast and easy to prove.

but no cash

 

[OTTER574]

For the life of me I can not understand how any one out West thinks they should go ahead of East pilots. Very well put sir.

We're not going ahead of any east pilot but keeping the JOB we brought to this merger.

 

[OTTER574]

but no cash

You must be on the seham mailing list.

First rule of a defense attorney that represents a guilty client is to try and change the subject in a trial.

seham tried this and FAILED big time.

If he's still able to practice law in a federal court after this,.......is to be seen.

 

[nycbusdriver]

If he's still able to practice law in a federal court after this,.......is to be seen.

Well, considering he was never held in contempt by the judge, I think you are truly dreaming.

 

[OTTER574]

Well, considering he was never held in contempt by the judge, I think you are truly dreaming.

When an attorney such as lee seham has to defend himself/usapa scheme in front of federal judges and a jury tells you what?

The last I heard an attorney can not defend HIMSELF for actions/advice he told a client to take. PERIOD

 

[Pi brat]

I'm sorry for the failed careers back east but you're not going to leap frog over the west pilots.

Failed career? Maybe that needs to join "rookie pilots" on the slogan scrap heap. I've never missed a paycheck, and if I do, you will be missing one too.

My career has been short of what I would have liked, but I doubt any west pilot's could match it.

 

[Metroyet]

For the life of me I can not understand how any one out West thinks they should go ahead of East pilots. Very well put sir.

Maintaining what one had is not being "put ahead".

 

[OTTER574]

Failed career? Maybe that needs to join "rookie pilots" on the slogan scrap heap. I've never missed a paycheck, and if I do, you will be missing one too.

My career has been short of what I would have liked, but I doubt any west pilot's could match it.

Let's take a look at the amount of metal usair parked in the desert in the past 2 decades. That's what I was referring to for a failed career at usair. Sorry, but that's the truth.

And yes, I too have had a great career of 22,000 hours so far.

Aviation changes...how about the usair east?

 

[nycbusdriver]

When an attorney such as lee seham has to defend himself/usapa scheme in front of federal judges and a jury tells you what?

I think that is what attorneys do, actually. Attorneys are obligated to fight the best flight for their client. Anything intentionally less might lead to a malpractice complaint.

Do all attorneys who lose a case in front of a federal judge and jury get disbarred? Did I miss that little tidbit you are alluding to?

The last I heard an attorney can not defend HIMSELF for actions/advice he told a client to take. PERIOD

I think the client needs to file a complaint against the attorney for that to happen. If the client is satisfied that the attorney did his/her best, there is no obligation for that attorney to defend himself/herself in front of a federal judge, or a judicial review board.

You really are dreaming this stuff up, or the victim of a very active imagination.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Failed career? Maybe that needs to join "rookie pilots" on the slogan scrap heap. I've never missed a paycheck, and if I do, you will be missing one too.

My career has been short of what I would have liked, but I doubt any west pilot's could match it.

As I head to work for my "failed-career" transatlantic flight tonight, I can only say:

WELL SAID!

 

[HPDriver]

A young boy walks into the celestial candy store, hand in hand with his uncle nic. He examines the various confections.....and, after some consideration, asks his uncle if he can dip down deep into the one labeled "Years of Other's Lives and Hard Work". His uncle shrugs and says..."Well..why not? Go ahead and take your fill, and while you're at it; have a handful of Cherry Integrity and some Honor Fudge on the way out". NOTHING is ever paid for any of these "treats"......Who's the "thief"? :blink:

OK, me next!!!

A young east boy is playing in a sandbox with his old, beat-up truck. It's barely holding together, is missing a tire, and the cab is cracked.

Along comes a west boy with his nice new truck and starts playing in the sand too.

Seeing the west boy's truck, the east boy decides that he should have the newer truck. After all, the east boy has been playing in the sand much longer and deserves to have the better truck. So the east boy decides to take the truck from the west boy without asking or even offering to trade trucks.

But the west boy won't let the east boy do what he wants. The west boy punches the east boy square in the jaw and sends him crying to his mother. The west boy then collects his truck and continues playing with his own truck.

The east boy's three-wheeled truck lies in the sand making LOA 93 squeaking noises.

The End.

 

[hp_fa]

I think that is what attorneys do, actually. Attorneys are obligated to fight the best flight for their client. Anything intentionally less might lead to a malpractice complaint.

An attorney who accepts representation of a client must follow the applicable ethical rules while representing that client. The attorney may not misrepresent issues of fact or law before the court, and in fact owes the court a duty of candor in dealings with the court. Additionally that attorney shall not fail to follow the applicable rules of court while representing that client.

In other words the representation of a client is not a license to lie or withhold evidence or facts in pursuit of the best possible result for a client.

 

[BoeingBoy]

As I head to work for my "failed-career" transatlantic flight tonight

I'm sure those 10+ year guys/gals in the right seat of the 190 completely agree. Or those 25 year folks sitting to their left.

Jim

 

[OTTER574]

I think that is what attorneys do, actually. Attorneys are obligated to fight the best flight for their client. Anything intentionally less might lead to a malpractice complaint.

Do all attorneys who lose a case in front of a federal judge and jury get disbarred? Did I miss that little tidbit you are alluding to?



I think the client needs to file a complaint against the attorney for that to happen. If the client is satisfied that the attorney did his/her best, there is no obligation for that attorney to defend himself/herself in front of a federal judge, or a judicial review board.

You really are dreaming this stuff up, or the victim of a very active imagination.

I think you're missing the point. lee seham can not defend HIMSELF for his actions he took in regards to forming usapa as a paid and hired attorney/council for usapa of which I'm a member.

Question to you? What do you hire an attorney such as lee seham for? I have his job interview tapes along with bradford, cleary and others.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Question to you? What do you hire an attorney such as lee seham for? I have his job interview tapes along with bradford, cleary and others.

Well, considering that the ambulance chasers have gotten our society to the point where you can't even hardly die without them representing you, I would think that the undertaking of starting a new labor union would require the services of an attorney.

Does that answer your question?

Or, are you asking ME personally what I would hire Seham to do?

I wouldn't personally hire him at all. Personally, I have no need for a labor attorney as I am not starting a labor union in the near future, nor do I plan to be an individual client in any other type of labor dispute.

If I did personally need the services of a labor attorney, I would certainly consider Seham among others.