US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/2- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

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We are together. Do your part, Bro.

What would my part be? Waiting for a union with no leverage to negotiate a contract where I only get 10% of the benefit and stapled on a seniority list made up by a group dedicated to harming my career.

Is that my part to wait for the damage and then what accept it?

Not going to happen.

DOH=DFR

 

[traderjake]

We are together. Do your part, Bro.

I'm here to steal your job. You need to help.

 

[traderjake]

More lies. None of the negotiators of LOA 93 is currently a USAPA officer.

The truth hits a nerve.

Hard liners like you prevented us from voting on the company's first offer which was better than LOA 93.

Hard liners like you insisted on a DOH strategy which got us the NIC award.

Hard liners like you voted in and are running USAPA.

No lies here.

 

[Barrister]

I guess I hit a sore spot here, I thought you guys were all happy about your victory. Seems you still have some issues to work out.

I have read the opinion and I read it again with the same opinion. There is a big warning in there that if you don't represent the West interests, you will face a ripe DFR suit. The Addington case already has shown that if you deviate far from the Nicolau it will be easy to prove DFR, it wasn't really close. You can blame Judge Wake, but the jury was not impressed by your arguments the first time, maybe the second time is the charm.

You might get away with some type of fences, but the Fortune 500 at the top of the list will probably have to be sucked down into the ratios in order to provide some balance. If you staple the West to the bottom with a DOH list, there is no way to provide any balance to your proposal, even with conditions and restrictions that are novel length.

The company has not been a party to a suit, because they have rightly been steadfast in upholding the Nicolau award. When they deviate from their contractual obligations, they will then get dragged into court too.

You guys do whatever you want, I think you will have to go to court again. The Ninth didn't say you were off the hook for a DFR violation, they just said "not yet."

The West isn't stapled in DOH. By the time this gets sorted out some Westies can hold a 330 left seat
and they will share upgrades as well not just ahead of someone who has been here 10-15 years longer.
You keep forgetting that WAKE severly restricted OUR evidence. He said NIC was not on trial. Well it will be next time.
Explain to the jury that the 25 year FO who is 55 WILL NEVER BE a Captain but the 30 year old
AW senior to him will and he will be a Capatin for 35 years......under NIC. Can't wait for that one.

NPJB

 

[oscarjazz]

There is no big warning in there. Give it up. A delta guy who spends his life in an Airways forum. Face it, ALPA got tanked, and for good reason. They could have sorted out this mess, and it is the worst merge attempt ever because that corrupt and corpulent ALPA never could decide its' way out of a paper bag.

...and yet the DAL/NWA merger is considered the best, using the same merger policy you used. What is the difference? Different union? Nope. Different people running the MEC's? Yes. Is it ALPA's problem or is it your problem?

 

[RSVP767]

Yes, during the Addington trial, a company representative said under oath that the company had no intention of using the DO
H list that usapa had passed at the bargaining table, and as far as they were concerned the Nic list would be used in any joint contract between usapa and LCC as per the
TA.

Yes, and that would have been reasonable and made perfect sense............up until last Friday!

Addington trial........DISMISSED!!!

 

[RSVP767]

...and yet the DAL/NWA merger is considered the best, using the same merger policy you used. What is the difference? Different union? Nope. Different people running the MEC's? Yes. Is it ALPA's problem or is it your problem?

If you can't see the difference, you're hopeless! If the DL/NW integration had 17 year differentials between guys next to each other on the merged list I guarantee you would be right where we are.

 

[LSS]

The truth hits a nerve.

Hard liners like you prevented us from voting on the company's first offer which was better than LOA 93.

Hard liners like you insisted on a DOH strategy which got us the NIC award.

Hard liners like you voted in and are running USAPA.

No lies here.

Hardliners prevented us from voting on the company's first offer which was better than LOA 93? YGTBSM

It was you and those like you who screamed... "get a deal, any deal... go to the ask"... and the “let my daddy vote” crowd that got us LOA 93... along with the ALPA FUD... you must still really be angry that your beloved ALPA got booted... GOOD RIDDANCE! The “hard liners” as you like to call them strongly advised the pilots to vote against LOA 93… the bed-wetters were crying that it had to be ratified! Revisionist history Tj!

 

[luvthe9]

The truth hits a nerve.

Hard liners like you prevented us from voting on the company's first offer which was better than LOA 93.

Hard liners like you insisted on a DOH strategy which got us the NIC award.

Hard liners like you voted in and are running USAPA.

No lies here.

Every east pilot had the ability to vote no if they didn't like LOA 93. It is that easy. Don't blame it on anyone other than yourself. You must have voted yes.

 

[luvthe9]

If you can't see the difference, you're hopeless! If the DL/NW integration had 17 year differentials between guys next to each other on the merged list I guarantee you would be right where we are.

The supposed delta guy is part of the ALPA presence on this board. Along with the BMW guy. Imagine paying dues, to fund this stuff. They spend more tome here than their supposed airline boards. You figure it out. They always know how to solve our issues too........

 

[Black Swan]

The supposed delta guy is part of the ALPA presence on this board. Along with the BMW guy. Imagine paying dues, to fund this stuff. They spend more tome here than their supposed airline boards. You figure it out. They always know how to solve our issues too........

Go back and look what they were saying when Addington was going on strong with Wake. They were right on the Wake train. No knowledge of ripeness, RLA or how bargaining agents are not perpetuated with the selection of a new one. Clueless. It is all ALPA sour grapes. I guess the 401k fees and dues loss is adding up big!

 

[Black Swan]

The supposed delta guy is part of the ALPA presence on this board. Along with the BMW guy. Imagine paying dues, to fund this stuff. They spend more tome here than their supposed airline boards. You figure it out. They always know how to solve our issues too........

There was no BIG WARNING in the 9th either. Total fabrication.

 

[Black Swan]

If any of these guys, including Boeing Boy had read Baptiste and Wilder, they would have gotten a clue as to where this thing was heading the minute Wake went over the boundary line. Way over. We got more lectures on how the Nic would stand, when it was obvious it was an internal union affair from day one. Negotiable.

 

[luvthe9]

The truth hits a nerve.

Hard liners like you prevented us from voting on the company's first offer which was better than LOA 93.

Hard liners like you insisted on a DOH strategy which got us the NIC award.

Hard liners like you voted in and are running USAPA.
No lies here.

Well "TraitorJake" Let me tell you that's the benefit of living in a democratic society, you have the right to vote so stop whining about you ALPA given 190 rate, pension, vacation that was brought to you by your ALPA brothers. And by the way if you that unhappy here QUIT, you are part of the problem.

 

[LSS]

...and yet the DAL/NWA merger is considered the best, using the same merger policy you used. What is the difference? Different union? Nope. Different people running the MEC's? Yes. Is it ALPA's problem or is it your problem?

From what I’ve read elsewhere, things are not quite as rosy as you would have us believe between the DL and NW pilots… despite what you claim! While it has not been so acrimonious as with AAA and AWA, as has been said here before, the LOS differential was dramatically less in most cases. Further, as I recall, this seniority integration had 3 arbitrators not one and the contract had already been negotiated before the seniority integration took place so everyone knew exactly what was in store for them before hand.

It was ALPA’s structure, not clearly defined merger policy and FUD that created much of this mess… and yes it did involve the local MEC… the majority of which was made up of the give-away gang!